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Re: i need urgent help : i'm demonically possessed

Posted by Markaba on 2011-October-15 07:14:13 EDT, Saturday
In reply to Re: i need urgent help : i'm demonically possessed posted by lgsinmyheart on 2011-October-15 06:36:06 EDT, Saturday

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But to the point - if it requires more than one universe, God's power is limited? How so?

I know you're not that dense, LGs. Because if it takes two universes, then it cannot be done in one. That is a limitation.

It would actually be more power: to create several universes instead of "just" one.

Any prerequisite for God to fulfill the task is, by definition, a limitation--such-and-such conditions must be met before he can fulfill the task.

In our universe, humans don't show, say, Superman's superpowers. Can God create a human with such superpowers? But if God did, would Superman still qualify as human? God creates rules even God doesn't break - same as a software programmer creates rules that even they cannot break within the code, even though they can, potentially, rewrite the code in another way that allows for more things. I don't see God as any different from this.

I know what you're doing: you're trying to complicate the issue, throw a wrench in the works to distract from the essential paradox at the heart of your belief system. Once again, it's irrelevant whether God does or does not do something; what is relevant is whether or not it is within his capabilities. The question is valid and it demonstrates the logical paradox of the omnipotence. You can take the easy out here by saying that God's powers do not obey the rules of logic. It would be no more satisfying an answer to me or others similarly inclined towards logic, but you could live with it, I suppose, though you would have to be prepared to face the consequences of it, which to me are simple--any such answer reveals that you are open to framing any issue with an answer based on faith rather than reason. It is precisely issues like these which lead me not to trust mystical thinkers as a rule. Mystical thinkers tend to mystify rather to clarify.

And I frankly see portraying God as a permanent Deus ex machina as both anthropocentric and small-minded. God is beyond the worries of what is possible and isn't in this universe or any other - and has to be, unless you conceive of God as a bureaucrat who permanently has to micro-manage every issue under the possible authority of the charge. Granted, that's how many people (most?) conceive of God. But it is not only unneeded - it's almost blasphemous.

Ah, so you did take the easy out after all. How did I see that coming? ;-)

Markaba


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