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Re: So that's a Yes?

Posted by qtns2di4 on 2011-December-07 01:22:51 EST, Wednesday
In reply to Re: So that's a Yes? posted by Markaba on 2011-December-06 07:18:20 EST, Tuesday

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Yes, everyone changes, but that doesn't mean you can count on people changing when you want them to in the way, you want them to or think they should.

Precisely - so don't plan something forever.

That uncertainty is the very reason you shouldn't engage in a relationship thinking it will not end.

You can't expect that a girl will just get over it and grow out of the relationship. It might happen that way, but placing that kind of expectation on the relationship doesn't sound much like love to me.

All my LGFs before the present one drifted away from me without me wanting it, trying to cause it, or even being ready for it to happen. I am sure the present one will too - the statistical rarity would be if I hit six consecutive LGFs who were exceptional rather than normal. So I think it is a very reasonable assumption.

Um, it's not delusional; it's hardwired into us. Very strongly in females, but in males too to some extent. Females want a provider for them and their children; males want to spread their seed, but they also seek stability after a certain age.

It cannot be hardwired. Some premodern societies, particularly Papuan-Melanesian ones, but exceptions, though few, are in every continent, are promiscuous rather than in fixed marriages. As are chimpanzees and bonobos too. I disagree with all the proto-Gaian feminism of Engels, but he is right that the origin of exclusive marriage is private property. Modern females want a provider because we raise them to be dependent on one and males want "adult" stability because we raise them to assume women are after their money, especially so the more money they have (so they don't want to risk suit after suit). Both assumptions are derived from the property and production structures of our societies, even if each gender uses natural comparative advantages to advance their group interests.

So what, people should just set their feelings aside when they get into a relationship so they won't get hurt?

Well it works for promiscuous societies - starting, again, by those premodern societies of the Pacific.

You know it doesn't work that way.

I know it doesn't, but it doesn't mean that I don't believe it should - and that it is a fair warning to give to everyone. People here speak all the time of if she is gonna get physically hurt by penetration, or if early pregnancy is physically risky, or if society will force her to reinterpret the experience as abusive later on, or if she can catch a STD by being sexually active too soon... but this is a risk on the same level as any of those. And frankly, I think all of the above are more avoidable than the last one. If it was legal, I would probably not refrain from contact for any of the other reasons, provided I took honest measures to minimize the risks; but I would much more likely refrain from a full relationship for the risk of heartbreak hurt.

That is completely unfair.

No less than promising what cannot be delivered.




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