Re: Some reading you should do

But by parents or other in family, and the most is not hurtful.. until later that is, when Masha or who came to be known as 'Vicky' came forward, even though that you can clearly know (if anyone reads any post by ppl who saw that vids) that they had to have enjoyed it... but later in life, when the brainwashing kicked in.. either wanted money or 'justice'.

I tend to think that the Vicky case was fully consensual. The arrest happened when she took her own computer for repair, years after the events, and the technician found the KP, undeleted and unencrypted, rather perfectly accessible, in some folder down the tree. It doesn't look like she was especially traumatized by that (at least she would have deleted it, one would think... [and yes, I know that nominal deletion does not remove the data - but not even that was performed on the files]). I simply do not buy the idea that she was abused, and that she didn't say anything for years, even after the perp (who was her dad) moved to another continent thereby removing any direct forms of coercion he might have had on her. Not believable, sorry.

I am currently ambivalent about the Masha case. The circumstances of the case really pointed out to abuse: a girl from a foreign country, with a previous history of parental (physical) abuse in her country of origin, with no links to anyone in the States but the guy who was filming her, discovered not years after the last instance, but when it was still happening... All of that is really coherent with abuse. It is a coherent narrative to suggest that her adopter was intently seeking a little girl to adopt to become his sex partner; and that he would not refrain from abusing her if she didn't willingly comply. So far, I did buy the abuse narrative. Except for what happened later on... She has since sued all KP possession defendants who had some of her materials for copyright infringement charges, demanding royalties. The amounts would be large enough, especially all added, for her to live from all her life. I find it hard to believe that if she really feels abused and traumatized, that she would seek to make money off it instead of wanting to forget it and leave it behind. Professional victims (of all kinds) strike me as insincere and intentionally profitting from others' solidarity for their alleged pain - pain which could have had a real origin (eg, races were discriminated against, nobody is denying that), but which must have been got over with if they are now using it as their job. So, while the initial evidence led me to believe it was an abusive case, I no longer really buy it. At the very least, it must have been a lot more mixed than was ever alleged, and I would even consider (possible but not too likely) that maybe it was all consensual despite the setting.

So, one consensual and one ambivalent. And that's only the famous ones. The ones pointed out by media and police both as enforcement successes and as examples of the horrible abuse going on and on and on. Cases that haven't been used in this way are probably even more likely consensual.