GirlChat #546380
Re: Umm, no
Posted by qtns2di4 on 2011-December-28 19:44:01 EST, Wednesday
In reply to Re: Umm, no posted by Markaba on 2011-December-28 09:33:31 EST, Wednesday
I wasn't aware that I thought anyone here was an anti-Semite.
You have accused several of us of that for pointing out the Jewish overrepresentation in banking, media and the legal profession. And for statements that you have interpreted as pro-fascist / pro-Nazi, or pro-Iran.
As far as I'm concerned, religions have a right to exist, providing they don't trample on the rights of others.
But Israel was not founded on that! Israel was founded on preserving the Jewish "genetic line" and the Jewish special identity, which is based on the religion - all the more so when you understand the differences between the Jews of different countries and regions pre-1933. It presumes, from the start, a special status for the practice of Judaism. You have all the right to disagree, of course; but not to deny that changing that would threaten the Jewish character of the State of Israel. Which is not a small thing - it is an explicit prerequisite Israel puts to negotiations with Arabs. Do you think it would be a prerequisite if it wasn't important? Do you think Palestinians would reject it if it wasn't important (they reject it, even the most moderate)?
It might be different if these girls had a choice of where to live, but they don't. They are dragged by their parents wherever.
That distracts. They are dragged by the parents, true - but the parents know (or at least should know) where they are moving to. And yet it is the parents who are raising the complaints to media and public opinion. It does absolve the girls, but not the parents.
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Responses
- The religion? - Aramis on 2011-December-30 03:00:49 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 6)
- Re: The religion? - qtns2di4 on 2011-December-30 06:43:00 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 5)
- Not really - Aramis on 2012-January-01 00:46:28 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- That's what I argued - qtns2di4 on 2012-January-01 02:46:45 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Yes and no - Aramis on 2012-January-01 13:23:58 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Yes and no - qtns2di4 on 2012-January-01 22:18:30 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Yes and no - Aramis on 2012-January-01 13:23:58 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Not really - Baldur on 2011-December-31 13:35:48 EST, Saturday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- That's what I argued - qtns2di4 on 2012-January-01 02:46:45 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Not really - Aramis on 2012-January-01 00:46:28 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- Re: The religion? - qtns2di4 on 2011-December-30 06:43:00 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 5)
- Religious rights do not trump individual rights - Markaba on 2011-December-28 20:17:01 EST, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 22)
- Re: Religious rights do not trump individual rights - Hieronymus on 2011-December-29 05:07:25 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- False dichotomy - lgsinmyheart on 2011-December-29 01:54:07 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Conflation - Markaba on 2011-December-29 03:24:12 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Conflation - lgsinmyheart on 2011-December-29 05:21:20 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Conflation - Markaba on 2011-December-29 03:24:12 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Religious Rights ARE Individual Rights - Dante on 2011-December-28 21:00:36 EST, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 17)
- Re: Religious Rights ARE Individual Rights - Markaba on 2011-December-29 12:10:52 EST, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 16)
- Positive to positive, negative to ground. - Dante on 2011-December-29 10:47:54 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 15)
- Re: Positive to positive, negative to ground. - Markaba on 2011-December-30 02:58:09 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 14)
- The Balance Sheet as Morality - Dante on 2011-December-30 07:34:50 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 9)
- Re: The Balance Sheet as Morality - Markaba on 2011-December-31 09:20:49 EST, Saturday - (1 / 0 / 7)
- One Clarification - Dante on 2012-January-02 18:03:53 EST, Monday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Okay, thanks for the clarification--NT - Markaba on 2012-January-02 19:45:28 EST, Monday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Mea Maxima Culpa - Dante on 2012-January-02 07:55:29 EST, Monday - (1 / 0 / 3)
- Thank you - Markaba on 2012-January-02 08:19:43 EST, Monday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- If this goes any further.... - Dante on 2012-January-02 08:24:28 EST, Monday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Aw, come on, give us a kiss . . . :-) --NT - Markaba on 2012-January-02 08:42:51 EST, Monday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- If this goes any further.... - Dante on 2012-January-02 08:24:28 EST, Monday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Thank you - Markaba on 2012-January-02 08:19:43 EST, Monday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Correction - read this first! - Markaba on 2011-December-31 18:48:07 EST, Saturday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- One Clarification - Dante on 2012-January-02 18:03:53 EST, Monday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- And... 'First, Do No Harm - Dante on 2011-December-30 18:06:04 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Re: The Balance Sheet as Morality - Markaba on 2011-December-31 09:20:49 EST, Saturday - (1 / 0 / 7)
- Re: Positive to positive, negative to ground. - lgsinmyheart on 2011-December-30 06:11:51 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- I will call it: - lgsinmyheart on 2011-December-30 06:58:59 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- LOL - Dante on 2011-December-30 07:47:06 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- I will call it: - lgsinmyheart on 2011-December-30 06:58:59 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- As far as we know - Aramis on 2011-December-30 03:14:04 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- The Balance Sheet as Morality - Dante on 2011-December-30 07:34:50 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 9)
- Re: Positive to positive, negative to ground. - Markaba on 2011-December-30 02:58:09 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 14)
- Positive to positive, negative to ground. - Dante on 2011-December-29 10:47:54 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 15)
- Re: Religious Rights ARE Individual Rights - Markaba on 2011-December-29 12:10:52 EST, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 16)
- Re: Umm, no - Markaba on 2011-December-28 20:11:20 EST, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 11)
- Re: Umm, no - lgsinmyheart on 2011-December-29 01:49:14 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 10)
- Sophism - Aramis on 2011-December-30 03:25:59 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 5)
- Re: Sophism - lgsinmyheart on 2011-December-30 05:32:10 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- Re: Sophism - Aramis on 2012-January-01 00:41:33 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 3)
- Re: Sophism - lgsinmyheart on 2012-January-01 02:57:34 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Thanks for the link! - Aramis on 2012-January-01 13:27:37 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Welcome (nt) - lgsinmyheart on 2012-January-01 22:24:59 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Thanks for the link! - Aramis on 2012-January-01 13:27:37 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Sophism - lgsinmyheart on 2012-January-01 02:57:34 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Sophism - Aramis on 2012-January-01 00:41:33 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 3)
- Re: Sophism - lgsinmyheart on 2011-December-30 05:32:10 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- Re: Umm, no - Markaba on 2011-December-29 03:36:24 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 3)
- Re: Umm, no - lgsinmyheart on 2011-December-29 05:47:25 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Umm, no - Baldur on 2011-December-29 09:41:41 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Umm, no - lgsinmyheart on 2011-December-30 04:18:50 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Umm, no - Baldur on 2011-December-29 09:41:41 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Umm, no - lgsinmyheart on 2011-December-29 05:47:25 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Sophism - Aramis on 2011-December-30 03:25:59 EST, Friday - (1 / 0 / 5)
- Re: Umm, no - lgsinmyheart on 2011-December-29 01:49:14 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 10)