Re: looks great!! can't wait to watch all of them!!!

"I would actually prefer making out with any girls I was dating than full blown intercourse, which makes it perfectly acceptable, and even accurate, not to use the word "sex," but to use other terms in its place."

so what exactly makes you a girl lover? isn't the simple fact that we are sexually attracted to them...as in having sex with them if the opportunity in a responsible or legal manner presented itself, the very thing that makes us pedophiles? if not for that, simply having a love and respect for the beauty and charm of a lg is like...well, just being "normal" isn't it?

as you've eluded to me possibly just being a fetishist could one ask that you may simply be a "normal" person who has a fetish for making out with lg/ag's?

"You are harping on this because you are irked over the fact that I called out anyone who acts a certain way towards girls on this board on their behavior, and it hit a nerve with you, and you are now reading my posts looking for every opportunity to jump down my throat about this subject, trying to find instances of me contradicting myself. That much is obvious, so let's be honest about that."

actually, i'm harping on it because you called me a smut-monger, a liar and accused me of being a fantasy writer who's sole purpose here is to practice his erotic stories in order to titillate pedophiles into false realities. the only "nerve" you struck was one of my own genuine respect for the way people of this board perceive me....and also that people here need to believe the things i share because they are true. they need to know that these things can happen to them to. and your comments were not in a separate post, making a broad sweeping statement(although they are true for everyone), they were solely directed at me and your opinion of who and what i am at GC. and if your trying to say they weren't then your not the one being honest.

"The Non's will "never" be on our side? Your cynicism will be ignored, because it implies that this is the one type of prejudice in the world that will never gain acceptance, and also ignoring the fact that it's a relatively recent form of prejudice to pervade world culture. Do your research before giving into defeatism."

i respect that point. but i still think that the simple fact that we want to have sex with kids will not, for a very long time, be anywhere near acceptance. even the bible speaks of gays being wrong and look at them now.....yet pedophiles? i don't know man...it doesn't seem like anytime soon, anyone will even hint at accepting the idea of us. it's sad that in neither yours or my life time that will ever happen. although i do agree that if it ever does it is up to us to be the ones who further shape the movement for future generations. again, tho my point was that you took a long positive post about me dating a girl lover and having a baby and focused on one sentence where i simply quoted her.

"And are you implying that since that is the only thing Non's tend to focus on when they visit our sites that this somehow makes it perfectly okay for us to pander to such negative expectations, and to acquiesce to the common media stereotypes by going on and on with all the lurid and salacious details that the public thinks we want to do? What we say, and how we say it, in public does indeed matter, and I am speaking here as a MAP who has been "out" ever since I realized I was a MAP about 15 years ago. So don't try to speak to me with greater authority on this than you clearly have."

i respect your obvious love for our community. i appreciate the fact that you have been "out" which i'm not sure what you mean by that. and i have known i was sexually attracted to girls for about the same time. i do agree that how we say things can go a long way and i don't think i have ever been overly vulgar in describing things...i will say "loose" with my words at times. hey give me credit i've never made absolute zero.....i have seen some extremely disturbing things that pedophiles have posted on their. if trusting absolute zero is something one is in the business of that is.

"Which I'm sure upsets you greatly, so you can't explicate all the licentious detail on this board that you would love to go into."

actually if i wanted to go into detail i would have signed up for other boards right? well, i haven't and frankly i have never even spent time reading another board...to be honest none have ever caught my eye...i'm not sure if there are any other thriving boards really, GC was the first and only place i ever spent time on and felt apart of. also, i won't lie and say sharing sexual desires with other pedophiles is not something i have ever wanted to do(not necessarily in public like this board) ...but isn't that normal? isn't that the same thing men do with each other when out at guy's night for instance. because yes, i would love to have a "guy's night" where i was able to speak freely about my sexual attractions to girls. but in my opinion that just makes me normal.

"I haven't ignored them, I sincerely haven't seen them, or at least not emphasized enough in your posts to stand out, but that may indeed be an oversight on my part, and if such is the case, then I will owe you an apology." "And since this was intended as a happy post, you could have gone into this elsewhere, or started a new thread. Please keep that in mind."

dude, you picked out one sentence in a long post about my gf being pregnant and possibly having a baby girl. i remember exactly saying the words "we want a girl, and not so we can live out our "sexual fantasies"..." and then also in the same post or in follow up responses i remember saying that we want a girl to raise into a strong, intelligent, healthy woman who can one day look and say "wow i had a really good dad and i love and respect him for the man he is and the father he was"...

"stop making posts with clearly ridiculous exaggerations"

Dissident you just don't get it. and unfortunately i don't think you ever will. i'll say again you act like i said "a lg with wings flew into my window and asked me to watch her try on clothes!"...lol, dude i just don't understand you. do me a favor and put your self in my shoes, if even for just a minute, please i'm serious, do this for me.

imagine that every word you have ever posted except for things that would give away personal identity was true and that other pedophiles simply didn't believe you because of how outrageously amazing they are. how would you feel?

for me i feel an array of emotions...the first one being a kind of feeling like are you serious? the things i have expressed aren't that great....yes i am appreciative of all the wonderful things i have experienced but really i could imagine much better things than that. like actually having a full time long term lgf for instance which i have never had and long for. shit even a daily interaction with lg's would be amazing like a little sister or cousin that i lived with for a long period of time but i've never had that either. and as far as me having a girl lover gf and possibly a daughter i'll give you that...at least from what i can see that is rare...but still probably not as rare as we think...heck my gf's real parents(she was later adopted) used her for (or she participated in, however you want to word that, which has been debated here at GC)child pornography, so the idea of 2 pedophiles having kids is certainly not new. and on that point if we have a boy you will see that i'm certainly not here to make up stories, but to simply share my life as a gler. but honestly i would rather have a girl and be called a liar than have a boy and have my honesty more accepted. :)

i'd also feel sorry for others that they thought the things i share were that special and out of the ordinary...when there are billions of people on the planet and millions of girl lovers experiencing the very same thing at this very moment. again, if people don't think it can happen to someone else then how could ever happen to them?

i'd also feel frustrated for obvious reasons. being called a liar when your telling the truth is hard especially when you know it's fact...and you know that the other's side is simply a mis-informed opinion.

and finally one couldn't help but say "they must be jealous or something".

in closing with all this said i am done with this conversation...feel free to respond, i will gladly read what you write and as always will take the good points into consideration, learn and grow from them.

but this is what frustrates me about GC sometimes. the fact that i have spent more time talking about this than i should have. simply because i feel spending time on more positive things in life is important like responding to ppl's GM's or other topics of interest as oppose to defending whether or not i'm a liar and a smut-monger.

again, this whole debate stemmed from my original "happy post" as you described your "3 tails" post, about having a baby, where you were put off by one sentence.

i feel strongly that you could have simply said "Justin, please be careful with what you say, we must choose our words carefully so as to not inflame the ones who search for things to use against us in their one track arguments"

if that was said both of us would have spent much more of our valuable time over the last week on more rewarding things.

i have spent 2 hours going over your post and typing responses just in this one message(maybe it's my fault that i take to long to word things the way i want to) while my pregnant gf sit's beside me on the couch and that is my exact point...my time could have spent much more appropriately...like talking to her or holding her or any number of things.

maybe that's it...maybe some folks here just have way too much time on their hands or something, i don't know man, i am just trying to figure out why this place is filled with so much drama sometimes and it's very very sad.

well, like i said i am done and i really thank you for once again showing me why i really am better just to be an occasional reader of this site.

i am too much of a debater to get into these long winded conversations where we pick out each others sentences and go back and forth. it's tiring and at the end of the day does not further my life in a positive direction enough for the amount of time i spend on it.

take care of your self!

and good luck!