Wow, do you love writing incredibly long responses that take all day to respond to! I find myself wondering if you and I are the only board members who read even half of them, which is why we get so little feedback.

so what exactly makes you a girl lover? isn't the simple fact that we are sexually attracted to them...as in having sex with them if the opportunity in a responsible or legal manner presented itself, the very thing that makes us pedophiles? if not for that, simply having a love and respect for the beauty and charm of a lg is like...well, just being "normal" isn't it?

No, it's not. The type of emotional love that MAPs feel for girls is much deeper than the more nominal type of appreciation on an emotional level that the average teleiophile who loves children feels. This includes the fact that MAPs are much more readily able and inclined to fall in love with girls in their age group of preference in a genuine and full romantic manner than a teleiophile, including one who enjoys being around children.

And the social component of our attraction base results in MAPs typically enjoying the entire social world of the respective age group they are attracted to, along with a tendency to have a degree of personal respect for younger people that the average teleiophile who is not a youth libber will not ordinarily display. I have explained this to you in detail elsewhere on the board over the past few days, and have made it clear that the sexual preference is far from the only thing that distinguishes a pedophile or hebephile, i.e., a MAP, or a GLer from a teleiophile or a child/teen fetishist. You pretended to "get" it, and said we had much in common as GLers in regards to our feelings, and then once again you start emphasizing the sexual aspect and insisting it's the main thing that distinguishes us from teleiophiles, and how disproportionate the sexual feelings are for yourself in regards to the other components, which you seem to feel is on a "normal" level for you...which does not sound like an actual GLer. This is not meant as an insult, but an observation based on all of your posts, including what you say in debates with me.

as you've eluded to me possibly just being a fetishist could one ask that you may simply be a "normal" person who has a fetish for making out with lg/ag's?

This statement is absolutely ridiculous, and very obviously defensive on your part, because as I explained (and which I'm sure everyone on this board other than you who read this paid heed to), I can readily fall in love with AGs on a regular basis if I associated with them, whereas the typical teleiophile adult will not. Moreover, I enjoy their entire social world, and treat them as peers when I get to associate with them, which is not something the typical teleiophile adult feels. Major epic fail on your part.

actually, i'm harping on it because you called me a smut-monger, a liar and accused me of being a fantasy writer who's sole purpose here is to practice his erotic stories in order to titillate pedophiles into false realities. the only "nerve" you struck was one of my own genuine respect for the way people of this board perceive me....and also that people here need to believe the things i share because they are true. they need to know that these things can happen to them to. and your comments were not in a separate post, making a broad sweeping statement(although they are true for everyone), they were solely directed at me and your opinion of who and what i am at GC. and if your trying to say they weren't then your not the one being honest.

Though you are a major purveyor of the "I have to show off to everyone how a pedo can 'live the life'" attitude, you were not the only person who has ever done that on this board, i.e., claim that the reason they regularly make obviously exaggerated (if not entirely false) and titillating posts that have nothing to do with any aspect of girls other than how sexy they find them is to show other MAPs how wonderful life can be for pedos...if only they were willing to take more risks, and not fear the stupid laws, of course. The actual reason they do this, I believe, is a short cut to gaining popularity and attention on the board without having to earn respect the honorable but much more difficult way, which is to offer support to fellow MAPs when they need it; display minority pride for the entire fulcrum of our attraction base; show respect to girls as people; discuss the laws and political situation we are in, along with discussing options for opposing them and making changes in society; and discuss ways of dealing with our attraction base in responsible ways. The supposed MAPs who have come here before with your type of attitude never seem to do any of those things, at least not with any degree of regularity; never compose essays on the many important subjects and challenges affecting our lives; and always seem to have a cynical attitude towards the possibility of change being made. It's quite obvious what they come here for, and I have no problem telling you directly that I believe that is exactly what you are doing. If I am incorrect, and you want to prove me wrong, there are better ways of doing it other than just attacking me and calling me wrong, but not producing any evidence.

i respect that point. but i still think that the simple fact that we want to have sex with kids will not, for a very long time, be anywhere near acceptance. even the bible speaks of gays being wrong and look at them now.....yet pedophiles?

Pedophilia wasn't an issue in ancient times when the Bible was written, but homosexuality was, because of the extreme importance in those days of people being able to engage in heterosexual monogamous marriages sanctified by the church so they would have heirs to pass on property to, something gays could not do. That is largely the political reason behind the moralism aimed at homosexuality. In fact, it wasn't until after the onset of the Industrial Revolution that societal conditions changed enough to justify pedophilia, and later hebephilia, becoming "social issues." This is directly related to the fact that these changes caused younger people to gradually lose the rights they once enjoyed even as other minority groups who traditionally lacked them in America and elsewhere in the West--such as blacks and women, and later, gays--began gaining the rights they previously lacked.

i don't know man...it doesn't seem like anytime soon, anyone will even hint at accepting the idea of us. it's sad that in neither yours or my life time that will ever happen. although i do agree that if it ever does it is up to us to be the ones who further shape the movement for future generations. again, tho my point was that you took a long positive post about me dating a girl lover and having a baby and focused on one sentence where i simply quoted her.

I was not talking about that one post you mentioned, but other posts of yours in the past that evoked the pattern I mentioned. I am happy that you found a GLer to date, and if you are having a baby with her, then I offer you sincere congrats. And I also give you props for finally engaging in discussion about the possibility of us making change. Things have changed incrementally in just the past ten years, but it will indeed be a long time before truly major changes happen...but they will.

i respect your obvious love for our community. i appreciate the fact that you have been "out" which i'm not sure what you mean by that.

Thank you, and by "out" I mean that most people I know well in real life are aware I am a hebephile, as I do not pretend that I'm not.

actually if i wanted to go into detail i would have signed up for other boards right?

All of the public GL boards that allowed that sort of thing didn't have long life spans, for obvious reasons. One of those obvious reasons was the type of element those boards tended to attract in large numbers, and what quickly became the focus of "conversations" there. Those boards not only attracted the worst elements of the GL community like flies to a lamp, but also a huge amount of trolls, antis pretending to be MAPs, and undercover LEOs.

o be honest none have ever caught my eye...i'm not sure if there are any other thriving boards really,

The only other major public GL board that currently exists is Visions of Alice [VoA], and the reason for no other thriving GL boards existing right now is for precisely the reason I mentioned above.

also, i won't lie and say sharing sexual desires with other pedophiles is not something i have ever wanted to do(not necessarily in public like this board) ...but isn't that normal?

Yes, it is normal, but there is a responsible way of doing it on a public board. That is all I'm saying. If you and I were talking privately about the matter, you could say much more, and I would not automatically think you were a bad person because of the way you expressed your attraction, or the words you chose to use to do so, or because of some of the fantasies that you had, because being a GLer who is well aware that the majority of us are good people, I would know better. But the average Non, including the many fence-sitters out there, would not know better, as they are conditioned to equate adult attraction to underagers as being indicative of a demented personality.

Dissident you just don't get it. and unfortunately i don't think you ever will. i'll say again you act like i said "a lg with wings flew into my window and asked me to watch her try on clothes!"...lol, dude i just don't understand you. do me a favor and put your self in my shoes, if even for just a minute, please i'm serious, do this for me.

I will do so, even at the risk of getting blisters on my feet.

i'd also feel sorry for others that they thought the things i share were that special and out of the ordinary...when there are billions of people on the planet and millions of girl lovers experiencing the very same thing at this very moment. again, if people don't think it can happen to someone else then how could ever happen to them?

I understand the sentiment there, believe me. And yes, your heart may be in the right place. But the truth of the matter is, in the world we live in today, MAPs cannot "live the life" that we want, and it's dangerous to our welfare to have large numbers of underagers in our respective age preference routinely spending a lot of alone time with us, or developing strong real life bonds with us. I am not being cynical by saying this, because there are other ways of finding fulfillment and even happiness in life, even if they in no way take the place of the type of relationships we wish we could have. Also, for us to do live that type of more or less carefree pedo or hebe lifestyle in today's world, it becomes almost an imperative that we stay in the closet to minimize the chance of problems and accusations resulting, and I firmly believe that things will not be able to change for the better in a major way until a lot more of us come out of the closet (or toybox, if one prefers).

and finally one couldn't help but say "they must be jealous or something".

Yes, I know, it's almost a knee-jerk accusation in cases like this.

i am too much of a debater to get into these long winded conversations where we pick out each others sentences and go back and forth. it's tiring and at the end of the day does not further my life in a positive direction enough for the amount of time i spend on it.

Fully understood, and thank you for taking the time to reach out to me. And thank you for listening to my various points even if you do not agree.