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Respectful response

Posted by Dissident on 2012-January-24 08:13:39 EST, Tuesday
In reply to While we're on the subject of labels (seriously) posted by Trucker on 2012-January-24 06:57:49 EST, Tuesday

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Why do you even accept yourself as a 14 year old boy in a man's body?

Because I'm not ashamed of it, and I see it as a gift rather than a problem that needs to be denied or overcome, plain and simple.

Why be 14 years old AGAIN?

Because to someone with my perspective, it's natural for me. It's not the case for many others, and I respect and acknowledge that due to my general respect for the concept of diversity. I would invoke the acronym "IDIC" here, but you would really accuse me of being a geek then.

Going through the BS of High School, bullies, ditzy girls, obnoxious teachers and principals, and being pissed off at everything for no reason?

This was the case for many high schoolers, myself included, but not all. Many of the high schoolers I had as peers were level-headed, confident in themselves, and had the time of their lives during those years despite the obnoxious teachers and lack of civil rights (though they did adjust well to adulthood too, of course). Having a natural self-identity as a young adolescent is not about somehow enjoying those negative aspects you mentioned (most of which are artificial), it's about wanting to be in a situation where I could do it right this time around, and fully live and enjoy the experience, like the more level-headed teens I had as peers did in the past. There are many "downs" to living as adults in our current society, too: obnoxious bosses, jaded women who have largely lost the zest for life, bills, and the detrimental effects of middle and old age.

Also, do keep in mind that as a youth liberationist, I would prefer to be a teen who had more options than the totalitarian schools you rightfully lamented above provide kids at the present time. Regarding the ditzy girls, I will take them over the boring and far less attractive and interesting adult women I have as peers now (speaking entirely for myself, and not for the many teleio adult men who do indeed appreciate what adult women have to offer them as individuals). As for often being pissed about everything for no reason, well, not all teens embrace the emo subculture, and I sure don't like it; I am really hoping that goth makes a comeback.

In all honesty, as I said in my essay on age dysphoria, my ideal situation in today's society would be to have a foot in the door of both the youth and adult world, and being confined entirely to the adult world for a person like me is equivalent to an adult being stuck at their job 24/7 and never able to go home, if that analogy makes sense. My ideal choice overall would be to live as a youth in a youth liberated society, of course. But despite the civil rights I enjoy as an adult in today's society, the adult world still doesn't feel like "home" to me, and I understand it's very difficult for someone who does not share the "taftohebephiliac" mindset to understand or relate to it. I would gather that Hypersonic does relate to how I feel and what I said above in many ways, however.



I for one do not ever wish to be a kid again; what they have to go through being at the mercy of this current social system is the reason why older people - not adults - are there for them. And love them.

Agreed, and understood. But wanting to be a youth forever is not really a choice or decision that I make, but a powerful identity that feels "right" to me in a way that can be hard to describe to someone who does not also share this perspective. It is, if one can understand this, what I am on the inside.




There was a teacher I knew who was totally against the structure of the school system and was always supportive of us kids. He himself was bullied as a kid, so he knew what kids go through. And everyone loved him, and everyone cried when he died of cancer suddenly. I'm truly sorry you were bullied as a kid. I wouldn't know anything about bullies or mean kids because all of them wound up dead or in prison. But why continue to be that angry bullied kid that hates everything when you can just be yourself in the here and now?

Because being a young adolescent boy is indeed being "myself," and what I am now--in a strictly internal sense, of course. I do not want to go back to being exactly what I was when I was a teen in a chronological and biological sense, or to return to the exact same type of overall situation I was in then. That is something I want to make clear to those who do not understand one who has the identity perspective that I do.

As an example, if I could become a teen again, I could return to the martial arts, and be able to better defend myself against bullies. I could opt for homeschooling or online education and not have to deal with those school bullies and obnoxious teachers any more. I could make many other changes that would make for an improved adolescence compared to the one I had the first time around, in an era when less opportunities were available for kids when it came to education and socializing. Nevertheless, I would have been honored to meet and become friends with the teacher you mentioned up above, as he reminds me much of one of my heroes, John Taylor Gatto. My condolences to all who knew and loved him for the loss.

How can you have the knowledge that you have now without going through life first. "If I knew then what I know now," is garbage because you would have never known what you know now if you never went through what you knew back then. There is nothing wrong with being an older person; it's how you are to people.

There were many peers I had back then who had a better quality of life experience than I did, and who grew up in a much different environment than I did, and thus knew things in middle and high school that I didn't at the time, or had reached a level of personal/social evolution that I was only to achieve much later in life compared to them. Hence, from my perspective, I needed to live all of these additional years in order to reach the level of personal evolution that would have allowed me to prosper back then, which is not something that they needed.

There is nothing wrong with being an older person in an intrinsic sense, true. But that depends upon the individual. That is basically like telling a person born as a male who was experiencing gender dysphoria something like, "There's nothing wrong with being a boy! Why can't you learn to accept it and stop wishing you were a girl instead?" That individual would likely respond, "I know there is nothing wrong with being a boy per se, but the thing is, I am not a boy in an internal sense, no matter what my outer shell says, or what societal expectations say." It's the same with age dysphoria, particularly taftohebephilia. There are many older people who are fine with being older, and that is great, since they are oriented that way naturally. But for someone like me, who has the social preferences and interests that I do; the view of life that I do; an attraction for girls in their young adolescence as opposed to what is readily available to me now in accordance with both the law and societal expectations; and my inner desire to experience life in a certain way, being an older (i.e., 40-something-year-old) person is not good for me as an individual. I am not speaking for older people in general, but only for people who have this natural inner identity that I have. It's not something I chose to have, yet at the same time, it's not something I consider to be a problem. It's only a "problem" to the degree that I live in a society and time period where individuals like me cannot be accommodated, and we are essentially forced to live according to a set of expectations that do not feel natural to us. In a better world, I think diversity would be much better respected, and everyone of every perspective would be accommodated with compassion and understanding.

All I'm saying is: give people a chance. And peace. For yourself.

I most certainly do give people a chance, as I love and cherish all of my same aged friends, and would not want to give them up even if I could make the hardware match the software again, so to speak. As for peace, I have, for the most part, made peace with what I am in the situation that I'm in. I may never be fully contented, but I do plan to accomplish much within the set of circumstances I have.

No offense.

None taken, honestly. If all of your disagreements with me were made in the manner of this post, we would have had far less disputes, both today and in the past. I know you have trouble understanding this aspect of me, and that it irks you to no end to hear me speak of it, but it's a fact of life for me, and I know it's difficult for people to view things from an entirely different perspective than the one that is natural to them. I just hope you understand me a bit better now. Thank you for the respectful disagreement and questions in the midst of a heated exchange about something else.


Dissident


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