Ping: Dante

Ok man, it's cool.

I would just appreciate it in the future if, when you disagree with me, you reply a little calmer. And if you try working it out with me, explaining things to me, in a gentle fashion, I may even agree or admit you might be right. I don't know everything.

"But you do hold some pretty strong opinions about what you hate. And I don't always think that you fully understand those things you hate."

See... it's just, you keep saying things like that, but you don't really make it clear what you disagree with me so vehemently about. It does feel sometimes like you have a grudge against me because I "hate" certain things. As for this Amish thread, I don't really see what I overreacted or became "hateful" about. Though as I said, I won't respect those who believe in sexual repression/oppression. That doesn't mean that I think the Amish are anything close to the worst people, though!

If it's my views on feminism that you feel harsh about, I haven't complained much about feminism lately, have I? Sure, I've had my flip-outs about that, but as I've said over a month ago - I'm currently going through a life change where I'm reanalyzing and updating many of my beliefs. I'm a bit of a different person already since I came here. However, I am still against feminism in general - but if many of you here are correct on your views about feminism, then clearly I'm the one who's wrong about it. I just don't think I am wrong here, and even if I am - that doesn't change the fact of what feminism has become today, or what it largely has been in history, when it had been a successful movement that mattered. But if feminism became what you guys want it to be, then clearly it would be pretty damn good for humanity. One example is the police - in theory it's a good idea, but in reality police corrupt very easily and most of them are little assholes. Democracy is a great idea as well, but it is a failure that can never likely be turned around. So that's how I view feminism, at least when it comes to your views on what feminism is. However, it's hard for me to change or adapt many of my views when I see feminists on this board of all places making claims like "males are inferior" or "the world would be better off with males". If that's feminism - obviously I'm not wrong about what a hateful, dangerous movement it is. Oh, the irony. It's for reasons like that, I view feminism as ultimately restrictive and condemning, especially towards the freedoms and livelihood of males, regardless to what its original intentions are.

As for child marriage, I don't mean to say it's a (good) "solution". However, it may be the only way GLs can ever be with little girls, and as I was saying, I think regardless to the ramifications of child marriage, if it were legal, most of us would be trying to find a little girl to marry. Even if it were legal to forcefully marry little girls, rape them, etc, that doesn't mean all of us would do so. We could simply find girls who want to marry us, and in that case, we give them the choice. Once we're married, we emancipate her, give her freedom, etc - even if the law does not require us to do so. There are certain things I wouldn't do even if it was legally required to do so. Like, I wouldn't willingly abuse a LG. Or, if the law said you legally have to get your daughter or young bride circumcised, I would not do so, and I would protect the girls from that at all costs.

And if it's not feminism, I'm not sure what the issue you have with my beliefs could be. I do disagree with you on feminism, and I think you're wrong - probably about other things as well (I don't know what). But that doesn't mean I think you're stupid, dangerous, or that I want to be harsh to you, okay?

You do make a lot of good points here, as well. You make a good case against marriage in general. But at the same time I wonder, since marriage is so stupid, religious, restrictive, regulated, etc, why do gays actually want it?