It was you who compared rape to murder, not me. For the record. That too bares your thought processes.

In case that, like sadlife, you didn't read the thread, let me inform you: both Dante and Ethan were talking about someone who formulates plans for the act, regardless of how the other participants feel about the act. If the act we're talking about is sex, that by definition is rape. Except in jeep's world, where it's all right. In jeep's world, too, forcing a child to fly kites is murder. The causation remains unexplained, so you have to take it on his word, but it's murder.