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Re: Agreed...

Posted by EthanEdwards on Friday, April 18 2014 at 10:11:04PM
In reply to Re: Agreed... posted by Dissident on Friday, April 18 2014 at 8:24:54PM

We're starting to go over the same ground. For the most part, I'm happy to leave it where it is, with our respective views available for readers to evaluate on their own.

I think a fundamental difference we have is that you (like Dante) are into idealistic principles above all else. I'm interested in some more pragmatic rules of thumb. In auto accidents, they adopted a rule that a rear-end collision is always the fault of the person behind. Very rarely this might cut the wrong way, but it's a simplifying assumption that saves a lot in legal fees. Or, if you "borrow" $100 from someone's wallet, it's a crime even if you were absolutely going to pay it back the next day. The state does not need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you were *not* going to return it. I'm not assuming bad intentions on the part of adults in adult-child sexual interaction, but I'm assuming a substantial risk of serious harm that cannot be ruled out in advance.

It won't convince you to change your stance (no amount of evidence will, I wager)...

I believe the same about you.

She is actually prohibited from saying "what he said was true, and I agree I'm not a victim."

That's true of current laws, but not what I favor. On the proposal I made, she could certainly say that and the case would be dropped. I generally favor much less draconian punishments than we have.

The fact is that society is full of women who feel they have been severely damaged by sexual experiences with adults when they were young. Is some of it exaggerated and stirred up by societal attitudes? Undoubtedly.
by insisting that every "teeth-gnashing" woman who makes such a claim should always be considered, without question, to have come to that conclusion entirely on their own,

Did you not read that major qualification when I first raised the subject? I realize a lot of damage has been done by false accusations. There is a lot of harm to false memories just to the people who have constructed the memories, and therapists encourage women to cite sexual abuse as the cause of life problems caused by other things. But I think when that's all whittled away, what's left will be at least half true distress from childhood sexual experiences. Even if it's only a quarter that's still in societal terms a huge negative. A big chunk of highly distressed women based on consensual childhood sexual interactions -- especially if we use the criterion of "consensual as perceived by the adult" instead of "consensual as perceived by the child". Saying that almost all such cases will fade away to hysterical society reactions seems like arrogance or ideology on your part.








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