"From a mental health stance self acceptance needs to be complete. Work with other minorities and orientations demonstrate that there are no half-measures in rejecting self-loathing. And that allowing the seeds of shame to fester only compromises health."

"Do you have references supporting that view?"

The APA have various position papers on sexual orientation and the ethical approaches to ego-dystonic sexual orientation. You can look them up at the APA's site, Wikipedia, Psychology Today or most anywhere that MHPs have an impact.

"Of course Virtuous Pedophiles encourages pedophiles not to loathe themselves and encourages them to be proud -- provided they personally are not engaging children sexually."

Sorry, not buying it until the Pedo/Molester conflation ceases and the smearing of the intentions of law abiding Pedos is removed from your FAQ. I agree that this would be a worthy goal for you and VirPed to live up to. But I haven't seen that yet. Not even in your response here when you have an interest in making the case.

"I'm curious as to how you'd relate this to minorities such as:

Deaf
Blind
Physically challenged
Mentally challenged
Elderly"

Wha?

Self-loathing is counterproductive for these people too. I get the frustration. There is nobody whose aspirations are so impoverished that they aren't frustrated by life's challenges. And as someone firmly planted in middle-age I certainly know about how the body can betray ones intentions. But that is no ground for treating infirmity as a matter of morality. And certainly not one for assuming that the infirm are morally suspect for their infirmity.

How many friends of yours are in wheelchairs? I can count one who I've known for almost 30 years and another Sci-Fi geek who I've known for about 20 years; and who was consulted for the paralyzed perspective of Bran in Game of Thrones. ( The Sci-Fi community has always been more at ease with the disabled*; two of the most influential editors [ Ray Palmer and Judy-Lynn Del Ray ] were respectively a cripple and a dwarf. )

I suggest you spend more time around the differently-abled and see how far you get with shame.

( * "Disabled" was my friend Brad's preferred term. "Differently-abled? BS. There's things I want to do and can't." But note that no degree of self-esteem was tied into his inability to walk. )

"I have heard a few radical Deaf voices saying there is absolutely nothing wrong with them, but I don't think very many Deaf people really think that."

Wow, now you're speaking for the deaf and you can't even sign? ;p

Deaf culture is very complex. And the more many are able to meet, and create communities and institutions the more they are inclined to accept that it IS a culture rather than a half-*ssed attempt to be a "hearie."

The existence of an ongoing rich culture and language which is almost always not transmitted through parents has interesting parallels for the cultures of sexual minorities. And again, the APA already has a stance on what it feels about attempts to change homosexuality.

They have some very legitimate fears about the attempt to destroy a productive culture.

"Whether there would be enough girls that an ordinary pedophile would have a decent chance of satisfaction or not doesn't matter -- but in terms of human happiness it matters a lot."

That might apply to Pedos in a culture where Heteros can rape any adult they want to "take." Otherwise numbers to not create the conditions for reciprocity in either orientation.

First look up "unrequited love."

Then look up "pecking order."

Even a Hetero can figure out that a certain social circle in High School are getting a lot more dates that the median. And that some are getting bupkis.

Does it matter for individual happiness? Yes. But unless you're that recent college spree-killer, you don't allow this as a factor.

Now according to one stereotype, Pedos tend to be socially awkward in general society and don't have much luck with adult women. If there is any truth in this then it speaks to the demographic who would know frustration even if they didn't know Pedophilia.

"Imagine a class of thousands of people who are attracted only to the most beautiful 25-year-old woman in the world (determined on New Year's Day each year :-)), and Big Data advances to the point where it can identify this woman. And imagine another class who love only the most beautiful 8-year-old girl in the world. Are the first class happy because in principle the 25yo woman might choose them as the lucky one? And the others should be ecstatic if they believe the 8-year-old can consent -- and devastated if they believe she can't?"

And thank you for making my point for me. Asia Argento will never be mine. Not now, not when she was 8. I can live with it as most Heteros do.

Dante







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