I think Markaba would do well to notice that entelechy mentioned twice in this post that no personal attack is intended. IMO, these debates with Ethan have been personally disrespectful to a point of being unreadable in many cases. My own take on this is that it is usually provoked by the 'take no prisoners' VP stance and Markaba, with a propensity to go off emotionally on these topics is a perfect soldier for this strategy.

entelechy is one of the most polite and level headed posters I have read and I am not disappointed by this post.

A more open minded and ultimately tolerant forum for pedophilia that I know is so strict regarding ad hominem (my spellcheck thinks this should be ad eminem - haha) arguments that several posters here would be banned until they apologized, including both Ethan and Dante.

[Dante, consider banning yourself]

OTOH, I feel the warlike tendency to take hard line positions on these topics too and sometimes think I should arm myself and trench in. I don't like that aspect of my personality however and do not see how that war would ever be won, just as any violent war cannot be won.