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Re: The complexities of love

Posted by Markaba on Wednesday, September 17 2014 at 9:58:55PM
In reply to Re: The complexities of love posted by Baldur on Wednesday, September 17 2014 at 4:19:37PM

Despite what you may think, even the most extreme Aspies have a full set of emotions. Aspies differ from non-Aspies in having difficulty reading the emotions of others - and perhaps by dealing with emotions more rationally, but not by being emotionless.

No, it's not that I think Aspies have no emotions; it's that I think they have a poor understanding of what emotions are, and I see that here. Being friendly and giving doesn't necessarily mean you love someone. Likewise, being shitty to someone doesn't necessarily mean you don't love them. Love is, first and foremost, an emotional connection. That's the basis for everything it is or will become. This notion that you can identify love by a set of behaviors is absurd. And when I talk about how we are all deluded in some ways, the irony here is that for many of you, this flawed view of love is one of your biggest delusions. And that reductionist view of love is one reason why you will never make any headway with society, because anyone who has any experience with it can tell you that it's just not that simple. Probably the simplest thing you can say about love is that it's a balancing act between giving your loved one what they want versus giving them what they need, but even that falls woefully short of describing what it's about.

But back to the earlier point - I wrote "if someone is deliberately hurting another, they might be acting on limerance or lust or obsession - but it has ceased to be love." Limerance, lust, and obsession are all strong emotions and frequently mistaken for love - but they are NOT love.

Really? Can you prove it?

Which brings us back to my original point: For many, "Girl Lovers are not molesters" is true by definition, because the definition of "Girl Lover" excludes those who do not act in love. Many use the term "Girl Lover" to differentiate between those who LOVE girls and those who are merely ATTRACTED to girls. Perhaps your personal definition differs.

See, this idea that true love means always behaving the right way is where your position falls flat. It still seems like you're adhering to the No True Scotsman fallacy in order to get around the fact that love is sometimes messy and less-than-valiant on the best of days, even between adults. What makes you guys think MAPs will somehow be better than that? That's the real issue I've always had with adult-child relationships. It's not that I think MAPs are more evil than society at large; it's that I know they are exactly the same degree of messed up as other factions of society, and that's enough. Children's brains are still forming, and the stakes are just way too high.




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