"I make a distinction between virpeds and pro-contacters here because virpeds aren't trying to drastically alter the status quo, and therefore their anonymity isn't really a major issue. They aren't scaring the everloving shit out of society by clamoring for the legalization of kiddie sex."

They aren't trying to erase the basis for KP prosecution of the image itself? They aren't trying to get the virtual KP image removed entirely even if it requires setting fire to all the caselaw and starting from scratch? They aren't trying to scare the bejeezus out of the public by arguing that most KP should be legal for them to masturbate to while fantasizing about the neighbor's daughter?

You haven't been reading very closely.

I would say that the main difference between a radical and anyone else is not so much the goals; but the realization of just what it would take to achieve those goals.

The moderate is usually someone so ignorant of the statutes and the law that they think that their "reasonable request" is actually supported by the law and requires no fundamental rewrite.

When we both say, "I value a girl's choice, and it should matter in court," it is empty words coming from the party who will do nothing to revise the law to give her a choice or a legal status vis a vis her choice.

But we expect empty words from those who claim they would've supported all the radical movements of the past that scared the sh*t out of the public in their day, but who now claim that todays Suffragette or Abolitionist equivalent will only set back the cause of the enslaved. Your stance on today's issue tells me just how little you would've done for the last civil rights issue or the next.

And BTW, you know that Ethan remains anonymous precisely because he does ask for change to any degree; even insofar as believing that one should be able to publicly say, "I'm Pedo." And he does so because the Pedo intermingling with the neighbor's kids socially and fantasizing about them scares them silly. He does nothing to alleviate that fear by telling the public that there is a propensity among Pedos to rape their kids, or that the public should treat the Pedo's ability to overcome these desires with suspicion.

Both pro-choice and anti-contact are asking for the public to set aside its prejudice and fear. But the pro-choice are willing to point out when their fears are baseless, exaggerated or grounded in something else. The anti-contact are the only ones who promote fear intentionally.

You say we scare the str8ts because we tell them that some of the things they fear cause them no harm. But you are the one who points to a Molester and insists, "See him, that's what Pedophiles do." And you will even denounce the crowd if there is any hesitance in their bloodthirsty impulse to attack because they don't care about girls.

The Pro are those who look at beliefs about harm and don't equate belief with a finding of fact. We may even upset the status quo by pointing out that facts don't support a belief.

The Antis hold that Pedos must be denounced. So they must keep reminding people that Pedos are to be feared and keep promoting the fear.

You aren't interested in actual acceptance, because then you would stand revealed as folks who promoted falsehoods for political advantage. And you would be viewed in the same post-discriminatory lens as women who denounced the suffragettes so that they could continue to use their social advantage as the mistresses of men to influence policy without it being diminished by other female voices in politics.

It is strange to see someone denounce the Abolitionist as creating a backlash against the House Slaves attempt to use their placement to nudge the Master. And then hear you alternately say that only an open mass uprising will do anything. Either we all march in the streets or we stop asking the str8ts to reconsider claims of harm. And that somehow the marching in the streets will create less fear than anonymously planting the arguments justifying why we should be allowed to walk in the streets without having to march.

I think that there is something possible in between that. But then I'm not the one telling others to shut-up if they aren't out and in the streets.

Dante