Ahem.

I agree, and am convinced, that Hadjuk has had a degree of experiences that have prompted him to give into his frustration and anger by saying the wrong things as a result. Which you have done in the past, too, even if not in precisely the same way. Does that mean I'm trying to say it's "okay" for him to do that simply because people in the other camp have done so? No, and I had it out with him earlier today about it on the board. I'm simply asking you not to lose perspective and view this as a one-sided manner. Moreover, I do not think the board harbors a lot of people in either camp who advocate extreme methods of any kind to deal with our problems. Even one or two is a problem, of course, and I do deal with it when I see it, and encourage everyone else here to do the same.

I'm not going to say that's never happened. On the other hand, you are going in the opposite direction and giving him the benefit of the doubt when he was pretty clear about what he meant and is still supporting it as the link above shows.

I didn't give Hadjuk the benefit of the doubt, as I barely know him at this point. I am giving qtns the benefit of the doubt until he tells me otherwise. Did you confuse the two again, perhaps?

I am simply saying that many who like to pontificate upon the moral failings of others are hardly in a position to do it without looking like hypocrites.

That's a 'two wrongs make a right' argument, not to mention a genetic fallacy.

No, it's not, because no where have I said that if one side does something unethical or extreme, that means it's therefore "okay" for the other side to do it. Rather, I'm saying that those who point fingers should not lose perspective, and to consider that under certain circumstances, other people will make the same mistakes they did.

At any rate, I am sure that no one here is morally perfect, including you, but you still continue to criticize what you consider to be moral failings in others. Does that make you a hypocrite too, then?

I don't criticize people for having the natural human tendency to make mistakes. What I have criticized you for is for continuing to make those same mistakes over and over again, and demand constant sympathy and understanding without wanting to consider how what you do hurts others, and for refusing to learn from your mistakes. That's not the same thing as criticizing you merely for being an imperfect human being and thus subject to making mistakes.

I certainly do have more than my share of flaws, but I do try to rise above as many of these flaws as I can, and strive not to make the same mistakes over and over again. Further, I do not believe that the pain I've experienced in the past - you know I was severely bullied to the point of suffering severe emotional trauma - gives me license to inflict it wantonly on others, especially not those who care about me and support me the most.