Re: What's up?

Hi again, infinite dude :)

Irritable? Hmmmm...

I meant that you've been chewing a fairly large degree of people out lately...I almost felt sorry for NFiH when you told him, in NO uncertain terms, and for the last time, that you DO NOT have a computer! LOL!! This wasn't meant as a judgmental statement or criticism, merely a humorous observation :)

I am glad you understand the point I was making. I cannot imagine finding my gf undesirable...or women in general for that matter. I do NOT put an age on my attractions. I mean, it's not MY fault that I find women to be hot just like lg's!

Of course it's not your fault, and I fully respect your AttB. My point was, however, that not everyone finds older women attractive in addition to LG's and/or AG's, and it's likewise not our fault. The problem so many people with near-exclusive AttB's have is dealing with the choice of whether or not to ever try, to the best of our abilities, to seek out romantic and sexual fulfillment with women in our age group on occasion when we are particularly lonely. It's a major conundrum that oftentimes proves very trying for both parties.

I just don't know where this intense HATRED of women comes from.

I wouldn't call it "hatred" in regards to most of us, Infinity. You may, in fact, be aware from my previous posts that I have several women in my age group as close platonic friends, and I cherish them quite a bit. I have never in my life put an age cap on who I have for friends; I am merely angry that I must, for the most part, limit my friendships to AW only. Many of us, however, are often frustrated at being forced to date them when we want some romantic fulfillment, and how adamant society is that we "should" look upon them, and them alone, as potential romantic and/or sexual partners. Add to the fact that we want to be part of younger people's world, and not "trapped" in the adult social world only. Further, this may be a perceptual difference between the two of us, but I think many men here will attest as to how intolerant and bitter older adult women often are towards men who prefer even younger women of legal age. I am routinely attacked by older women (not all of them, of course, but many of them) should I dare to say I prefer women in the "18-early 20's" range, either in a chat room or in person. They will proceed to make insulting comments about younger women (including AG's) such as "well, if you prefer flighty simple-minded partners that you can control so easily," which is nothing but a bunch of absurd prejudices that have no general basis in fact. Yes, younger women are indeed flighty, but "simple-minded" and of "less maturity" and "less sophistication" than older women in regards to their behavior? Puh-lease. Older women are quick to be "haters" when it comes to men who do not find them attractive, or heaven forbid, do not have the same emotional needs or social interests as they do. I think the "hatred" (i.e., frustration) you say you observe is a major two-way street here, Infinity, that perhaps you do not notice simply because you do not mention the "age" thing around them, and because you can adapt to their social interests easily and you do see them as potentially attractive in a general sense. Whenever I post a personal add asking to meet women in the 18-25 year old age range, you should see some of the nasty, judgmental responses I get from older women telling me things such as "I'm so sick of men like you," "you want to do nothing but use them, you asshole...," "I can't believe you would want to date or mate with someone who is that immature...unless, of course, you're telling us that you're immature," etc. (I'm NOT ashamed to admit that I DO NOT want to mate with older women!). Trust me when I tell you this, Infinity: older women are rarely charitable when it comes to men who prefer younger women, and are very quick to insult us if we do not have a preference for them, despite all of the men out there who do prefer older women. They all think they are superior in every way to younger women (other than looks, of course) in much the same manner as some white people assume they're better than black people simply due to their race. It's utterly sickening when you confront this on a regular basis, bud. Even many of my close friends who are older women often give me their advice that I should have more "realistic" interests when it comes to the women I date. Guess what kind of women they're referring to?

It's not our "fault" that we do not find older adult women attractive any more than it's your "fault" that you do. This is not to say that we do not respect them as people, and do not think they have anything to offer the world. We simply do not see them as desirable romantic and sexual partners, and frankly, that's our business, not theirs.

I spend alot of time around adult women and I have found only a handful to be like you describe.

I likewise spend a lot of time with them, and I see the opposite of what you say much more often than not. As I said before, I believe this disparity between our experiences with older women and our perception of them is the result of how much we have in common with them personally. Since your AttB includes older women, including you're being able to easily adapt yourself to their social interests and emotional needs, you do not interact with them in precisely the same manner as I do. Hence, they never see a reason to "attack" you in that way. But if you didn't find them desirable, as I don't, many of them would come off to you in an entirely different manner, I believe.

Most women I know are fun and energetic, not "bitches" like I hear all the time on GC.

Once again, Infinity, I think it's all relative to precisely how we relate and interact with older women. Notice how many bisexuals here often say that they cannot understand how we all cannot find BOTH genders equally desirable? It's the same principle here. As a heterosexual (and I'm not ashamed to call myself that, here or anywhere else, so fuck anyone who has a problem with that) I react in all ways with males in a considerably different manner than someone who can potentially find them physically and emotionally attractive; hence, I do not have the same type of conflicts with them that a woman or a gay or bisexual man would have. Since I am openly not attractive to older women, who believe that I "should" be, I come off as offensive to them, and their attributes come off as unappealing to me in a way that society disapproves of. I don't know too many older women who are fun and energetic in the sense that they want to do the same kinds of things that I do...I can rarely get any of my female friends over 25 to leave the house to do much of anything that I find interesting or exciting. With younger women and AG's, it's a considerably different story. However, since your social interests are probably more adaptable to that of women in your age group, you see things differently than I and many of the other guys here do. I also have many older women I am friends with tell me, "it's not true that we have no social lives! We DO want to go out and do things...just not the same things you want to do. We already did that stuff when we were 20 years old...but we grew up." So I think I can make a very strong educated guess that it's all relative to precisely how you interact with a certain group of people.

I also disagree about intercourse being their main sexual goal. Most women I know LOVE oral sex and masturbation. Most women CANNOT cum with a dick inside them. My gf has told me her orgasms are more intense with my penis inside her, but that is ONLY if I am rubbing her clit at the same time. She told me it's not easy for her to orgasm with just me penetrating her, unless I try and rub my pelvic bone against her while I am on top. We do so many other things, she loves to use her feet on me, because she knows how it turns me on. Alot of times I get so hot that after I cum I just grab her and screw her like crazy. She has such perfect tiny sexy feet! I love to look at her naked too. Her body is not perfect, but I still think it is beautiful (she does shave her genitals, she likes the way it looks). She has pretty big breasts, which I also like. I've had "tit-sex" with her on occasion. It's just good to try different stuff.

Consider sending this to Penthouse ;) But seriously, you have proven a major point of mine here, Infinity. All of what you described above is pretty intense sexual activity for someone whose interests are more or less on the level of a teen, and this would be considerably more true for people whose sexual interests are on the level of a child. Most adult women want to do precisely what I mentioned up above, and this is precisely the type of things that I want to spend a minimum of time doing. I like intercourse, but I much prefer outercourse. With most older women, it's the opposite. I have to work hard to adapt myself to AW's desires, which are often quite different from my own. And like many hebephiles, I prefer smaller breasts, not bigger ones, which is another difference. Add to that the fact that I do not like to even see most older women naked, and you can see how hard it is for me to get myself aroused enough to do all of the above. When women are at the age of their alleged sexual peak, my interest in them is generally quite low. It's not that I can't keep up with them, it's that I have no interest in doing so.

I really just can't relate to that part you said about not being able to find women who want to do fun stuff and go out. I don't know where you live, but maybe it's time to move to a big city with lots of young professionals who know how to have a good time. You might even consider moving to a "college town" where most of the year you have 18-22 year olds all over the place. I know where I am you would be hard pressed to find women who did NOT want to go out and have fun!

Infinity, it's precisely the "young professional mentality" that I do not mesh with well, because I do not like the type of corporate ladder climbing that they find so appealing. Hence, we are unappealing to each other. I get the full impression here that I was correct, in that we do not have the same notions of "going out and having fun." Most older women do not like going to amusement parks, do not like things such as lazer tag, and do not like things such as playing frisbee on the beach...which is precisely what adolescents, younger adults, and adults who are like me enjoy doing. It's a completely different concept. And the thing is, I DO live in a very big city that has a huge number of college girls 18--22, the age group of legal women I prefer to date. However, as I also said before, there are few gerontophiles where I live, and as such, most people in my neck of the woods prefer to date in their own age group. So though I can find some women of the 18--22 age range who would be friends with me, they wouldn't look upon me as a potential romantic interest...and I find that so distressing that I often prefer not to be friends with them sometimes. It's not "better than nothing at all," IMO. I have been out "having fun" with older women on many an occasion, when they bother to go out at all instead of working 40 hours of overtime every week, and I do not find just sitting around and talking about financial matters and about how cute their children are all day long to be fun...and as regards to the former, you know I have a high degree of interest in economics! So that's saying something! Our conception of "fun" are completely different. Not every MAA can see in older women what you do. It's not "right" or "wrong" either way...it's simply how it is, but it seems hard for you to understand people not being attracted to those whom you are attracted to.

I dunno what to tell you. I have met very few women in my life who are ANYTHING like you describe.

I've had many SAA men and MAA's with a very broad AttB tell me precisely what you just did...and many MAA's with a more exclusive AttB (including many on this board, as you noted) repeat my words precisely before even seeing me say the same. So I stand behind my assessment that it's all relative to how you perceive any given group of people in regards to your own physical, emotional, and social needs and interests. It's all relative, pal.

I hope you can somehow find what you're looking for.

Thank you. But we cannot simply "decide" to find older women attractive...believe me, dude, many of us (including me) have tried, and I've discovered the hard way more than once that the mythical "on and off switch" that the conservatives believe exists so firmly in the human animal is just that...a myth.

(what about asian women? I had a prof who was 51 years old and she looked like she was 15 and I am NOT kidding. I remember in grad school when we all found out how old she was we FLIPPED out!)

I like girls and younger women of all races (Sweet is African American). I do indeed try to find women in their 30's who look younger, but if they don't act younger, then there is little chance of a romantic connection, and most women in this age group who look very young are celebrities who are far outside my social circle, and most of those who aren't are either taken or have enough male attention that they aren't interested in a guy like myself who is just average looking. Then they insist on a guy who makes $100,00.00 a year so that they can buy the house they want and start that family they want...the majority of older women are not interested in having fun, they want to start "settling down." This isn't wrong, of course, but it's NOT what I want.

Your friend,

--Dissident