but it isn't against the law to cuddle, taf-cat. what i was trying to say in my post is that affection naturally expresses itself in some personal intimacy & body contact. for a girl lover, if not for everybody, this will always have erotic overtones.

this is the level at which things shld remain, imho. as soon as an adult begins to 'lean into' the relationship, the line has been crossed. there isn't any external evidence of this, but if he's attentive, the adult knows when its happening, & thats all that's required to prevent it.

as the wolf said, one day a girl might want a cuddle, another day she might not. its our solemn duty to respect that & not pout about it or cuddle her anyway. if its a natural part of a genuine friendship then whoever calls it 'grooming' is wrong & needs to be challenged.

its true, one day a lg might want to play doctors & nurses. ethically this shld be no problem if the same principle is followed. unfortunately, there is a cultural taboo on this behaviour, & for the lg's sake at least as much as the adults, it think it is the glers solemn duty to decline such an invitation.

if albertRoss meant by one stays on one's own side of that line, and one waits to see what crosses over of it's own accord that if a girl intitiates sexual contact then it can be accepted, then i disagree. children need to be rebuffed when they do this, for their own protection.