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Re: Not when there is no humor involved

Posted by Baldur on 2010-May-29 17:00:40 EDT, Saturday
In reply to Re: Not when there is no humor involved posted by Lateralus on 2010-May-28 21:18:31 EDT, Friday

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'It isn't repetition that makes something a mantra; it's the thought-killing words in certain repeated phrases, often loaded with fallacious appeals to emotion, such as "Counselors are all out to fuck you over,"'

Most of us don't think that all counselors are out to fuck us over, it's just choosing to out oneself to a counselor is a lot like playing Russian Roulette - there's not much upside to it and one very big possible downside.

Otherwise, I disagree strongly with the idea that GC is a cult, or that there is a significant degree of "thought-killing" words and phrases in use here. However, I have come to realize that perhaps you experienced GC as a cult within your own mind, which might explain your disillusionment now. And, you are probably not the only one. Many of us here have specifically tried to prevent that sort of groupthink here in order to allow real and useful discussions here, but perhaps there is something in humanity that desires the cult experience and insinuates it wherever it can.

'Are you suggesting that the nuclear family should be dissolved? Do all your fellow pro-contacters see it the same way? Perhaps we should have pro-nucfams and anti-nucfams, eh? You know, I've even had similar ideas once upon a time, but that will never, ever happen. Ever. This is the biggest pipe dream of all. Nature has designed a system that, for all its flaws, has worked well for millions of years for millions of species.'

I see two flaws with this argument: First being that the nuclear family is a recent, primarily North American development, at odds with the traditional extended family or clan; and second that Nature has "designed" any number of systems for millions of species, only a minority of which might be described as "nuclear family".

'For millions of years genes have programmed kids to be reliant on their parents.'

Again, you misunderstand Nature. In some species offspring are reliant on their parents; however, even in humans, which have a much longer period of reliance than most, children are capable of becoming independent by the age of four (as has been observed on many occasions in war zones or after catastrophes), and traditionally was considered an adult at about age twelve.

Of course I am not saying that parents should throw their children out of their homes when they reach the age of four - but I actually find it rather comforting to know that children are generally able to survive on their own from that age. It is of course beneficial to both children and humanity for children to remain with guardians at least until they themselves reach adulthood.

'The Nazis were abhorrent murdering thugs.'

We certainly characterize them as such now, and with good reason, but that is not how they appeared within their own society at the time. While some members and most leaders were exactly that, most were simply going along with the "authorities" as they had been programmed to do in German government schools following the Prussian model - a model of schooling which was introduced to the United States about 80 years after it was introduced in Germany, incidentally. One example of the banality of evil. ⚠️ ↗

'That [Dissident] put the word caution in quotes indicates that you do not believe it's a legitimate defense, which shows how arrogant and dismissive you are of those who disagree with you.'

No, I think it's an indication that Dissident does not really believe that that "caution" is really caution, but a chimera. I expect that the American obsession with "safety" will eventually lead to devastation far beyond any safety temporarily obtained, as has already clearly happened with the "War on Drugs" and is now happening in the "War on Terrorism". Thus, a focus on "caution" that consistently leads to greater harm is no caution at all.




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