Re: The only thing meaningless is your drivel

Most parents I know (and not all by any chance!) are not fully mature either.

You're equivocating. That's not the type of maturity we were talking about and you know it.

Where the hell did you see any disapproval?! If anything, it is one of the few areas where I prefer the USA to any other rich or middle income country.

But here is where I get my delusion from:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html

The USA rank 125th, out of 225.

Whereas if you look at income . . .
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

The USA rank 11th, not around 100th.

I can't get either of those pages to load on my computer, but I will take your word for it. Alright, I apparently misunderstood where you were coming from there. My apologies.

Then that is not modern medicine, but development that you mean. :p

Which still leaves to be desired: African and Pacific Island Pygmies, and the Andamanese still mature faster while being less nourished than any other race. They sacrifice their height and general strength to earlier puberty because their diet is poor.

However, in general, the argument applies as long as you compare the same population with the same population. I grant that.

My general point there was about the modern age; the development thing was a subpoint of that. Basically I am saying that before the advent of the modern age, pregnancy was a much riskier endeavor for a variety of reasons. The development subpoint was to demonstrate that it would've been far less likely for the average male to pursue an adolescent for the purposes of procreation and marriage because they would've been, on average, less physically developed than their modern counterpoints.

Well, if you want to deny the power of prayer, do so.

If you want to deny the thousands of fetus and baby bones found around many monasteries, you can do that too.

I was raised in a Christian household and was one for a significant proportion of my life. I also live in arguably the most Christian part of the U.S. I have seen exactly what the power of prayer gets you, which is nothing. So, yeah, you could say I deny the power of prayer. As for the bones of infants around the nunneries, A) do you have proof of that? and B) I would think God would hardly give such a favored status (and thus answer their prayers more frequently than others) of a group of women who routinely murdered their own children. Either that or Christians have the morality of abortion all wrong.