...but you would be interpreting the definition of any term we agreed on for this purpose as "negative." The exact meaning of the Greek "pheo" are not negative at all. Baldur noted that the Spanish "fio" meant "ugly," which is negative, but that is not the same as the Greek word despite the similar pronunciation, and I addressed that in a post already (it's entitled "About the Spanish thing..." I don't feel like looking it up and linking it right now, as I am modding as I post). Continue the antagonism on this matter all you want, it's what you are best at anyway, but we are not going to drop usage of the term. Waste all the energy and passion you want on this to try and stop it for a while, and when that blows over (and it always does), then hopefully you will return that energy and passion to matters that are actually worth your time, and the community's. Sometimes, Markie, I think you really enjoy butting heads with others on the board about things, and I'm not talking about simple disagreement, I'm talking about clashing horns with the fury of two male rams duking it out to impress a female of the species.