I can vouch for AK that these words come from a public forum designed for youths, predominantly people under the age of 18 (often down to 14, sometimes going down to middle school participants), and is not an MAA/MAP board. These, however, are politically aware youths who view themselves as a legitimate minority group, and some, though not all participants, are members of big youth libber orgs like NYRA (which does not have an official position on this particular issue due to its hot button nature) and ASFAR (who does have an official position on it), along with other, smaller youth lib orgs now springing up here and there and older ones like the FreeChild Project. I can understand AK not wanting to link it, since antis would go out of their way to try and deluge the administration of that forum, or its server's administration, with letters demanding it get taken down since they cannot deal with what is being said there, and they need to use such duplicitous methods as censorship to create the illusion that an opposition to their bigoted viewpoint is non-existent outside of "pedophile" circles.

Please note the following: The great majority of youths participating on this forum are NOT pheophiles, and are NOT making the excerpted defenses or insightful statements out of a widespread desire amongst youths to have sexual relations with adults. Please do not take it such. Rather, it's based upon a widespread support amongst politically active underagers (including but not limited to anarchists) for freedom of choice, plain and simple. This puts the kibosh on the many naysayers out there, including some in this very community, who say most underagers consider the AoC laws to be no big deal simply because the great majority of them are not clamoring in long lines to have sex with significantly older adults. The point is not about that, but simply about the right to make that choice regardless of how many of them may or may not want to exercise that choice. That is what freedom is all about, the right of choice, not only the enabling of activities that people of any given demographic most often want to do on a regular basis. That forum should serve as an object lesson to those who make emotionally gratifying "feel-good" support of the AoC laws on "behalf" of underage youths on the basis of what they believe the vast majority of youths want or do not want to do, as if the freedom to make a choice somehow goes against the interests of a perceived majority who do not want to make that choice. The lack of freedom of choice hurts everybody on a fundamental level regardless of whether or not they may have any interest in making the choice in question.

Please note these very points I made on an essay I posted on NewgonWiki over a year ago entitled "Why Most Teens Will Not Support the Age of Consent Laws If Given the Choice": http://www.newgon.com/wiki/Essay:Why_Most_Teens_Will_Not_Support_The_Age_Of_Consent_Laws_If_Given_The_Choice

And for those who say, "I'll support these choices for youths once I see a huge number of them actually asking for these choices"--well, here you go! Now you see it starting to happen! These public forums dedicated to politically aware and active underage youths are now beginning to emerge in large numbers, as are socnet sites and YouTube channels from these same youths. However, we cannot logically expect them to exist at this point in time in numbers comparable to those run by legal adults of any given minority group because the survival status of such forums by underagers espousing politically unpopular views are far more precarious than those run by legal adults, whose survival rate is less than stellar to begin with when you consider the large number of legal MAA forums, blogs, and YouTube channels that have been deleted for "inappropriate" content. Those who ignore this very important factor are playing a major game of dirty pool to justify a largely indefensible and less than logical stance that is not actually made out of concern for youths, but out of concern for the general public's sensibilities, many of which they often share with the public.

Just a few more things I would like to mention quickly:

Many antis, and some "skeptical" people on this board, will try and say that those comments you excerpted were either "actually" made by 40-something-year-old MAAs, because "no youths in their right minds" would defend the prospect of youths having those particular rights (since we all "know" that most or no youths have any desire to have such relationships with adults anyway, right?); or they are "clear" indications that people under 18 have no understanding of what their "best interests are," and they are "deluded" by the "pervasiveness of 'pedophile' activism all over the Internet." The existence of the youth liberation movement is either ignored entirely (despite being increasingly difficult to do as time passes), or said to be the sole creation of "pedophiles" (a ridiculous, grasp-at-straws assertion that is easily disproved).

The guy who requested pics of that 9-year-old girl masturbating is not something I would approve of anyone doing, since it's against the law and I do not support a flagrant violation of the law due to what can happen to all involved with the situation if that is done. Nevertheless, the antis in and outside of the MAA community will claim that this girl only sent the guy those pics at his request because she was "manipulated" into doing so, or that she "was too naive to understand what he really wanted those pics for," or that "she was afraid of losing his friendship or quasi-fatherly attentions if she refused to comply," all these assumptions made as if they could be nothing other than facts, despite those who made such statements being bereft of the slightest knowledge of the individual girl or the overall factors of the situation.

As for those who were excerpted as saying that a girl enthusiastically jumping on a guy's erection being the adult's fault only: That will be justified by the antis via saying things like, "The adult is at fault by reciprocating rather than firmly telling her that what she was doing was wrong, because unlike a girl under 18, adults 'know better'"; or, that the guy did so out of extreme selfishness since his reciprocation obviously meant he "didn't have the girl's best interests at heart, but only his own self-centered gratification," because it's a universal, objective fact that intergenerational sexual contact is intrinsically wrong regardless of how the younger person engaging in it felt about it. With that said, please do not take this as an endorsement to break any laws, because I do not support breaking such laws as opposed to simply challenging them in a lawful and democratic manner.

Finally, if anyone on this board accuses you of fabricating those excerpts on the basis that you will not share a link on the public board (which is wise): If they happen to be a long-time poster on the board (such as Markaba), then I believe you can trust them enough to send them the link via private e-mail. I strongly advise against doing so with any newbies, however.