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Re: Actually

Posted by Markaba on 2013-January-29 21:59:59 EST, Tuesday
In reply to Actually posted by qtns2di4 on 2013-January-29 04:27:57 EST, Tuesday

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Yes -- currently.

This is certainly not the traditional Christian understanding.

'Currently' is what matters, and these attitudes are here to stay without overt opposition from outsiders. You can't throw culture in reverse. Many, many people have tried. The new Christians simply ignore the history of their own. Believe me. Do you know how frustrating it is trying to convince modern Christians that their people participated in widespread persecution and murder? Their argument usually runs along the lines of: those weren't real Christians but impostors made to demoralize the Church. Right, well, I don't see much evidence of the "real" Christians stopping or attempting to stop them (never mind the fact that this is a No True Scotsman fallacy). Then the Christian defense usually shifts to pointing out that this mostly happened before Luther founded Protestantism, as if that somehow invalidates everything bad that the Christians did before Luther. It's really just a sly way to place blame on the Catholics.

Childhood innocence was invented, out of his trou-de-cul, by Jean Jacques Rousseau, who introduced this novel and utterly bullshit concept in his educational theories.

I will leave out a greater expansion on what all I think of Rousseau. And it's not all negative, either.


Yes, and Rousseau, among other things, was a sexist who thought little of girl children or females in general.

However, what is undeniable is that he had a great influence in all the fields of social thought and social science he touched. In the particular case of education theory and child psychology, his influence is felt to this day. And after him, most others copied his bullshit idea of Childhood Innocence into their own understanding of childhood. The only big name thinkers after Rousseau, who spent a lot of time in child psychology and who completely disagree with Rousseau on Innocence, are Freud and direct disciples of Freud - and THAT should tell you something. Everyone else still essentially buys into that doctrine, even if they may disagree on some specifics of it. AND the Rousseaunian understanding of childhood permeated public consciousness shortly after his death - it was its moment, really, with the French and American Revolutions and the Romanticist movement in the arts. And it filtered all the way into the religion of the time, both Catholic and Protestant of all branches. Where it has survived. Where it nourished both the Socialist demands against child labor, the Progressive demands against child prostitution and marriage and for eugenics, the (classical) Liberal demands for more education and eventually the SocDem demands to raise ages of criminal responsibility - the other side of AOC. And, certainly, it also nourished the notion that Sex must be kept out of the reach of children.

Not to mention its impact on racial relations ⚠️ ↗, since I touched on that in my post.

In a way, I would say that almost killed Christianity as it was. But then, other things have radically changed the face of Christianity too. I may be biased too because I sincerely think the previous understanding was infinitely more accurate.

Well, to me they are both equally nonsensical, though for different reasons. And, as I pointed out in my article, organized religious is just another tool for priming children to be completely subservient to authority, even worse the parental relationship because it teaches them to be subservient to an authority that a) has ultimate, unconditional and undeniable power, b) is ever-present and always watching, and c) supposedly loves you completely and yet demands absolute obedience and is willing to painfully torture you for eternity if you fail to meet his expectations. Remind you of anything?


Markaba


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