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Yes, facts

Posted by Dissident on Saturday, October 29 2016 at 02:31:10AM
In reply to ... and facts. posted by Baldur on Saturday, October 29 2016 at 00:53:30AM

Um, libertarians believe that the collusion of government and business is a very bad thing.

Based on the belief that the government works against all freedom, and libertarianism extends the conception of freedom to the economic realm in a way that favors the belief that a few making as much money as they can, no matter the condition of the majority, is a benchmark of freedom. They therefore see regulations and taxes as an obstruction to freedom and an unjustified taking of funds that weren't earned, respectively. What they do not consider is that those who have far more money than others have far more power, and this concentrates all the power in the hands of a few regardless of whether it's capitalists or bureaucrats imposing it. The latter regulations were attempts by government to save capitalism, not obstruct it, as the main purpose of the state is to protect property ownership under capitalist lines; and taxes are considered "unfair" because they are based on the idea that everyone should be required to put something of what they have into the public good.

We just note that that is nothing like free market capitalism.

Which is capitalism in an unregulated or almost completely unregulated form, meaning capitalists are able to charge all they want for every conceivable service and this type of power is perfectly okay because freedom demands you allow everyone to become as powerful as they can in a framework of ruthless competition.

We focus on the issue of government instead of business, because we can always take our business elsewhere if a company is not treating us right. Government allows us no choice in whether we have to pay for their "services" - and it is significantly more difficult to find another government than another business.

I understand what you're saying, but we also cannot leave the entire system if it's not working for us. We are stuck paying some capitalist for whatever service we want, and never allowed the full fruit of our labor. This is why socialists consider both capitalists and bureaucrats to be inimical to true freedom. Equality is required for true freedom, but not just in the political realm; it's very easy for those few with the most money to subvert mere political laws.

The new studies you linked did not address this question.

They made it clear that people in Japan and Europe tend to live longer than Americans, and that means people of Japanese and European descent are not living longer simply by living in America, because what they get here in terms of health care, etc., is not superior in quality to what they get there, and these factors mean more than simple genetics.

Yes, but that doesn't match the facts. It is difficult to get good data by ethnicity, but just a quick look at some stats on life expectancy by race (not as specific as life expectancy by ethnicity) finds several U.S. states where Asian-Americans have a life expectancy longer than the Japanese.

But it may be based on numerous factors not connected to ethnicity, including the general income level of these people, what their states give in terms of social benefits, what specific community they live in, etc. That does not suggest that the quality of everything they receive in America is better than what their counterparts in their native First World nation receive.

I'm not linking because I don't have the time to find a good link, and the links I found had some technical issues for my browser - but I was able to quickly and easily confirm what I am saying.

But America overall is known to rank only 31st in terms of global life expectancy of its citizens, which can also be readily confirmed. This is much more than mere genetics alone can account for, and there is more than enough evidence that access to health care, food one is generally exposed to, etc., has a lot to do with it, and these things do not have the highest quality in America. That may mean the ethnic demographic issue of this country is moot, because people overall here are not living longer lives than citizens of these other countries.

That's not the only reason.

But I do like it. ;-)


Of course, because who doesn't like alliteration? :-)






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