GirlChat #721914
my take on male/female issues broadly
Posted by EthanEdwards on 2017-December-09 13:37:55 EST, Saturday
In reply to This entire post is basically an attack posted by rainbowloom on 2017-December-09 03:56:34 EST, Saturday
Doesn't seem right to me, but let me address parts of it, anyway. You wanted me to discuss things other than "the issue", so here's another issue.
You may note that when I discuss adult male-female rape, I suggest that if the man says the woman consented and changed her mind, reasonable doubt says he should often be successful with that defense. That is an idea that has come under serious attack lately.
Laws in society are often needed to protect weaker from stronger. In the case of men and women, one key aspect is the lurking fear of violence... a deep-seated and serious problem. I didn't grow up with this modeled for me at all, having a very dominant mother. But I've sensed it since. Even the vast majority of time when men do not use violence, its possibility is there in the background coloring things.
Men commit the vast majority of all crimes in society. Even if most men are decent people, we have reason to worry about the exceptions that have a big negative effect on us overall.
And yet I am exasperated with "movement feminism" and the idea that there is a coherent thing called "patriarchy". I dislike the concept of "privilege" overall, and "male privilege" in particular makes me uncomfortable. There are pluses and minuses on both sides. If you total them up, men do on average have more advantages, but the "privilege" position is that men should just shut up and their concerns should be invisible while women's issues rule the day.
A mischievous suggestion of mine is that we shouldn't spend another dollar on research on women's health issues until we've evened things up and men live as long as women. It's ridiculous, of course, but you can have hone your beliefs thinking through just why it's ridiculous.
Some people may be aware of Obama-era "Title IX" regulations at colleges, requiring them to be more aggressive on combating campus rape -- at the expense of due process and a chillingly wide net of potential offenses. A great book is "Unwanted Advances" by Laura Kipnis. Betsy DeVos (Trump's secretary of education) rolled back those rules, which is in my view the one and only positive policy change enacted by Trump that I know of.
"because men are dicks"
reminds me of a cool recent book, "Ethical Porn For Dicks". I highly recommend it.
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Responses
- Interesting ideas; - rainbowloom on 2018-January-04 02:26:00 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- You said it to him better than I could have - Dissident on 2018-January-07 16:12:36 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- P.S. - rainbowloom on 2018-January-04 02:38:41 EST, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- My point of view (free of agression) - rainbowloom on 2017-December-09 16:17:36 EST, Saturday - (1 / 0 / 9)
- clarifying I'm against consensual scenarios too - EthanEdwards on 2017-December-10 11:49:54 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 5)
- You are a misandrist - GL_in_lyrics on 2017-December-13 01:26:43 EST, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Just to be fair, my friend... - Dissident on 2018-January-07 16:25:28 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Your position was clear - rainbowloom on 2017-December-10 17:31:23 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- I am in essential agreement, though... - Dissident on 2018-January-07 17:09:38 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Vichy man. - griffith on 2017-December-10 15:16:44 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- You are a misandrist - GL_in_lyrics on 2017-December-13 01:26:43 EST, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- well said ... - Baldur on 2017-December-09 23:55:54 EST, Saturday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Those are my thoughts too. - griffith on 2017-December-10 00:49:09 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- More or less - rainbowloom on 2017-December-10 00:30:11 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- clarifying I'm against consensual scenarios too - EthanEdwards on 2017-December-10 11:49:54 EST, Sunday - (1 / 0 / 5)