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Posted by EthanEdwards on Monday, August 20 2018 at 09:12:23AM
In reply to Are pedophiles incels? posted by billi on Sunday, August 19 2018 at 2:13:58PM

Here's my take on it.

Taken as a phrase by itself, "involuntary celibate" means you do not have sex even though you want to. "Involuntary" has a couple different meanings. One is it's literally impossible -- if you want to have sex with Betelgeuse or a living, breathing Natalie Wood, you simply can't do it. The other is that you could do it but are subjected to reprisals. That sense applies to both the classic incels and us -- if you have sex with a child (even if willing) or rape a woman then you risk conviction and imprisonment.

What's different is that what incels seek is something that many or most other people in their position do legally all the time. They acknowledge that women regularly agree to have sex with people who are in superficial respects just like them (adult men, for instance). Society does not just them for seeking sex with adult women.

The problem with pedophiles is more external, pertaining to who they want to have sex with. The fundamental problem isn't that no child would say yes to them (though for some attraction profiles it's harder than others, and many in society would in fact claim that no child would say yes). And the problem cannot be solved by being the suavest, richest, most attractive man around. Society judges them harshly simply for wanting sex with children.

Then we can come up with two classes within each group. Surely there are many men who can't get a woman to have sex with them who don't think that the world owes them a consenting partner -- until 20-odd years ago we all assumed that any individual men who felt that way were crazy. Similarly we have many virtuous-style pedophiles who don't complain that society doesn't let us have sex with kids.

And then the activist incels and the activist pro-legalization pedophiles both do complain loudly that the world isn't fair and demand change. And the world at large fiercely opposes both groups.






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