Some of you may have heard about the US losing a few dollars when it sent a military drone into iranian airspace.

The interesting thing about this...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7164843/Iran-says-downed-US-drone-recovered-territorial-waters.html

...is the numbers. Iranian lives are now worth... about 1.2 million dollars, or almost the exact expected value of western middle-class lives.

That's something new.

This becomes... interesting... when one thinks about us. There are about 360 million people in the US. The low-end estimates put about a third as one single subset of the MAP spectrum.

That means that the rampant 14th amendment violations, in addition to being profoundly illegal... should cost about $1,440,000,000,000,000, on the bottom floor estimate, just for the destroyed lives. The existence of school should cost even more - see Schweinhart's work surrounding the highscope study, or Todd's survey in Why Children Work.

The entire US GDP is listed as $21,050,000,000.000.

https://www.bea.gov/news/2019/gross-domestic-product-1st-quarter-2019-second-estimate-corporate-profits-1st-quarter

Even one such law should cost the entire US GDP for damn near a decade.

I... suggest it may have been misvalued. Aaaaaaand... that cost may well come due quite directly.

He also suggested that the way forward is not through nuclear.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48732672

I... find this hilarious. And while I'm perfectly happy to advance their nuclear program (seriously, who the fuck uses mechanical centrifuges? and doesn't even write their own computer hardware, and then plugs everything into the public internet?), I pinged iran mostly to point out that they'd been dirty-bombed by a petroleum company (which anyone can do; heavy iodine is just a quick trip through the warmer and no sorting for a radioiodine scattershot. try to at least get it in the cup; it's an antipollution thing) and that they might want to bitch about it. Or the transport agent.

But, "the best way forward is not through nuclear war" is... hilarious, and without drastic change, naive. Extreme political terrorism prevents assembly, association, speech, or political participation. The only thing we do have is a distributed nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons network with no real reason to cling to life in any town of twenty people. Or larger. Anywhere in the world. No other resources and no way to use any other means if we had them.

In case you're not reading between the lines, I'm saying the destruction of all human life was engineered. It was deliberately engineered at that; there is literally no chance that anything which qualifies as a percentage of a global population is not a nuclear, chemical, and biological power.

Total mass destruction is written into the structure and is the goal.

Other groups have also advocated waiting just a little bit. I'm... neutral to the concept (what's a few years?), but it's also extremely naive. It doesn't really account for the effects of children learning their first language from, say, their parents describing killing them very, very slowly. (which is the answer to "what's a few years?"). It doesn't really account for the likelyhood of knowing really, really early (like, before kindergarten) and spending those years knowing that there is, actually, literally no hope. It doesn't account for the fact that this is a rape regime in which teachers tell children that someone will hurt them if they talk to strangers about certain things - another answer to "what's a few years?"

Among my demands is the temporal rectification of the last 50 years or so at a minimum. There probably are a few powers that could pull this off - the basic structure is easy, and I've already posted the basic insight on this board years ago; zar/wa. The issue (and direction) is not so much "what" (or "where") but "how many."

So... you can deliver on that, right? Because most people meddling are using cruder techniques, like torturing children until possibilities wither and fade, or stalin-tier "unhappenings" such as kate maberly's butt or the notion that Saville had ever been in anything filmed by the BBC. They're astoundingly blunt and crude, but they are tragically mildly effective by brute force... and this, most of all, is what you should not let run ragged over you, at any cost.

I'll be expecting something a little more advanced. And I don't care if my demands are unreasonable... to you. But... you can deliver on that, right?

~shrug~

...it's naive for more than just believing that things are better than they actually are - it's a psychological defense mechanism, and tends to pair with thinking one's own life is better than it is, when really you just take twenty years of abuse, do forced work for people trying to kill you, then die - or the fact that I'm setting my demands at full weight.

There's also intersectionality.

See, I can be thrown into a concentration camp without trial or having ever been accused of a crime in a court of law because I'm a sexual minority. (and I'm guessing y'all threw that under the "naively wishful thinking" bit. not as useful in dealing with someone who knows they're there). Buuuut... if I was, say, irish or russian or japanese or native american or black american, for instance, I could also be thrown into a concentration camp without trial or having ever been accused of a crime in a court of law.

Several parts sweat lodge, a few parts "they're raping our white women." Yes, the latter is factually legal grounds in the US, and no, there's no real boundary where one stops and the other starts.

The concentration camp system is interesting. There's the obvious, the first one, installed at the sacred land at the base of the islands on soviet withdrawl from afghanistan, if I recall correctly.

Conversely, if you were sitting in London, Scotland, staring at London, England (it's a tourist attraction with some ceremonial guards. and yes, the guns are real), it would be fairly illegal to do three things. One is to be naked with a wool blanket over one's shoulders, covering nothing - not an unusual condition for the region. One is to hold an unlit pipe packed with cannabis. And one is to tap a drum, gently, twice; molecular cohesion is itself electronic, but you can attach an LED blinker or something if you like.

Odd things to make illegal there.

...last but not least, there's a few hundred square meters which is, apparently, the only place on the planet where you can do what you cannot do in London, Scotland. It's in front of the state capitol of Oregon, and the state supreme court only guaranteed the right of nudity in protest, so you'd better be right there in front. It is allowed to hold an unlit pipe, stare at the building, and wait to die in such a condition.

This gives us two concentration camps. One at the island (and its federally-mandated clones), and one... that is the planet. Wonder how they're going to fit all those people in a hundred square meters? I don't.

The distance between, say, Salem, Oregon and... well, we'll just use Seattle...

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/distances.html?n=221

...is 992,640 nanoseconds in the direction of choice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light

Most of the (frequent) attempts at "sympathetic magic" are, frankly, absolute bullshit - those little symbols require someone to read them and give a fuck - and it's the child torture, disappearances, and unhappenings that really fuck shit up. But the very bored can even calculate minutes of angle from London, England (not London, Scotland) in displacement... likely from a flat-earth model.

So, I probably will wait, just to see if anything interesting comes out of it. But I'm pretty sure such a petition comes from a place of extreme naivete about such things as "what's it really like" and "omg, are there actual concentration camps" and such - a naivete which continues, apparently, to the last person.

Meanwhile, at 1.2mil a pop...

https://www.zdnet.com/article/1700-alleged-online-sex-offenders-arrested-during-operation-broken-heart/

...we've been handed about 2 billion dollars.

I'd imagine chucking one unit at "the fiction known as Brian Bone"

https://thewalrus.ca/how-police-cracked-canadas-largest-child-pornography-ring/

...might actually be a good start. Should be easy - "conspiring with a foreign power to attack the United States," which constitutionally speaking is fact, is basically good for a crapton of capital cases, plus the long list of petty ten-year crimes. Treat him well (the prison system is inadequate for actual murderers and rapists) don't let them be in charge of or in contact with anything, slowly introduce the concepts of how far beyond mere crime they went.

Yes? I'll... wait.

Meanwhile, I'd feel a hell of a lot better if the folks saying things like "oh, yeah, we've got this" or "eh, no big deal" could manage actually knowing the situation that's right now. And we wait in a world where several million people or more can just go rogue - without needing a damn bit of help and without anything to live for, a situation which probably stretches just a little beyond this community.

...but it's interesting to see a human life valued at above zero dollars - anywhere. That is in fact a very new development.

Probably, this will all be nothing. And, probably, human life will no longer exist past about 2040. It is the only possible outcome from the designed structure and what this is intended to do - and so glaringly obvious that the book of Revelations can be read as an aetheist allegory that one day a metaphorical samaritan is going to get sick of this and nuke this shit, especially in the context of the other books in the collection.

33 and bitter. And in this instance, relating to the fact that those who are as St. Joseph are associated with the northern star.

Does it feel bad to be this predictable, or on the wrong side of a religion you profess to follow? Well... feeling bad isn't what does much.

You should be looking at a threat profile of about a billion rogue NBC platforms with about 4-5 billion having no capacity for life under the regime than to stare at the wall and wait to die. It's a LOT more realistic. This is not even remotely a point source, and the only reasonable presumption is that totalicide is the goal of the engineered situation.

~shrug~ I... don't care. My life is behind me, and unless y'all manage the temporal rectification of the past as well as the future, completely wasted. If I blow it, it's for the mercy and the salvation of anything else that could be encountered later, and if I advise you to save it, it's for you. "Ain't nothing for me no matter the outcome" is probable.

Mostly, though, I'd love to see evidence that even one party even remotely has a clue what is going on in the world around them right now. "Not a point source," "massive distributed threat model," "oh shit we live in a society founded on mostly-ethnic concentration camps," and the like are 101-tier shit, and it should not actually take, say, my existence or input to figure this - or that this is the goal being pushed for - out. Kinda gives me that massive terror that everyone is asleep at the wheel... frankly, I don't consider myself a great driver in any sense, but there are no alternatives. I'll pause the acceleration... briefly. I can't guarantee the other 6.9 billion or so.

I don't, honestly, feel a lot of hope. I'm thankful there are other powers out there, but not completely confident. Being able to discern that the world around you does exist and is like that is the other half of power.

...but, lives are worth nonzero to the US temporarily. That's an interesting, and new, development... and we apparently have about 1,699 of them to play with unless the budget reups.

They'll probably even let us sell crap that has nothing to do with us. :)

Like they say in chicago, "'till it blow." I'll try to wait out the year before leaning on the button in the absence of emergencies, see if anything happens. Good luck!

I am sort of interested in seeing what the rest of the board thinks of what may be a market model... or which may have nothing to do with us.