However, look at the long battle the gay community had, to get some acceptance, and law changes; and they were fighting their cause for, and as, consenting adults! They are forever battling homophobes et al even now. What hope is there for us MAPs? We find ourselves admiring minors. I'd hate to see violence used but it has surely occurred particularly in self defense as when in confrontation with 'amateur police', vigilantes, SJWs, entrappers and ensnarers. There must be a solution.