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Re: You Have Been Dishonest Or Stupid: R U SURE??
Posted by Dissident on 2002-January-29 23:49:40, Tuesday
In reply to You Have Been Dishonest Or Stupid posted by Puzzled on 2002-January-29 22:44:33, Tuesday
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When I asked you to support your interpretation of pt's post, you only offered one quote - a quote from a post that was made AFTER your accusation had been made. Either you were stupid enough to think that could count as a justification or you were dishonest. I tend to think you are not that dumb, so that is why I went with dishonest.
THIS POST: http://www.annabelleigh.net/messages/152424.htm
Since you refuse to simply allow you to refer to it, here it is...I DISAGREED with the tone of that post, and what she said. Read my reply, and I provide my evidence, and let it stand on that. THIS was her initial reply to SMG which prompted my response to her.
You see Diss? It is easy to make concrete references to back up my interpretations. I do it all the time. You never do it. But let me give you one last chance. See if you are man enough to put up or shut up.
You "do it all the time"? What you do is twist interpretations into "facts" and "lies." I "never do it"?? I'm glad I dont' do what you do! And as for your challenge of being "man enough"...I know I have negative points as a person, but I am quite confidant in my integrity as a person and debater...sorry, but the schoolyard "attack the ego" approach doesn't work with me.
"although i imagine what it would be like sometimes, i never couold expect a little girl to love me back. i know that when i was a little girl i wouldn't have wanted a relationship like that. Actually, i'm not even sure if i can truly consider myself to be a girllover--after all, most of my fantasies are purely physical and include hurting little girls. there is no way that can be considered girllove. I'm sure i could emotionally love anyone--after all, i love all of my friends. Is there is difference between that, minus the sexual attraction, and being in love with someone? If there is i can't see it.
No, you don't sound judgemental, just realistic. Most of us here seem very set on dreaming about what could be, and not what probably will come to us in real life."
Now, for the last time, you have a chance to explain how anyone could read that post and conclude that she was saying anything that could support your accusation here: "just because you believe you would end up acting out dark fantasies in RL, does not mean that we will all end up doing so. She said that she has dark fantasies. She used the pronoun "I" 11 times, hardy a basis for thinking she generalizes to all of us. The only time she used "we" or "us" was at the end when she says, "Most of us here seem very set on dreaming about what could be, and not what probably will come to us in real life." Nothing there points to her even remotely suggesting that, as you say she said, that we all will end up acting out dar fantasies.
So how can you justify your accusation? I bet you can't. I bet you won't even try.
Wrong, my self-rightous compadre. First of all, thank you for making it clear you KNEW very damn well what post I was referring to, and proved how needless it was for me to quote it, but simply refer to it. Thank you. This how I took umbrage to the TONE of that post, even though I dislike rehashing this for Poison when I graciously accepted her apology:
1) "although i imagine what it would be like sometimes, i never couold expect a little girl to love me back. i know that when i was a little girl i wouldn't have wanted a relationship like that."
She seems to be agreeing with SMG here that since she couldn't imagine loving an adult when she was a LG, that she is in agreement with him, and HE was making SWEEPING statements that ALL LG's would be "damaged" by such relationships. That was the old "I wouldn't want that, so I can't see how any other [man/woman/child/teen] would want that either." I took umbrage at the implication.
2)"No, you don't sound judgemental, just realistic."
SMG was CLEARLY being judgmental in my POV, hence I disagreed with Poison that he was being "realistic."
The rest, I will deal with down below.
Now, for the last time, you have a chance to explain how anyone could read that post and conclude that she was saying anything that could support your accusation here: "just because you believe you would end up acting out dark fantasies in RL, does not mean that we will all end up doing so.
She pointed out that she believed that she may NOT truly a GL, but I wanted to make it clear to her that her concerns need not be applicable to "true" GLers, plain and simple. I was very aggravated over SMG, and to see anyone calling his judgements "realistic," when you consider the sweeping generalizations he was making, simply frosted my ass...but see below.
She said that she has dark fantasies. She used the pronoun "I" 11 times, hardy a basis for thinking she generalizes to all of us. The only time she used "we" or "us" was at the end when she says, "Most of us here seem very set on dreaming about what could be, and not what probably will come to us in real life." Nothing there points to her even remotely suggesting that, as you say she said, that we all will end up acting out dar fantasies.
So how can you justify your accusation? I bet you can't. I bet you won't even try.
Sorry, Puzz, but THIS is what I apologized to Poison for...BECAUSE I was so agitated over SMG, and her for saying he was being "realistic" and "not judgemental," and I wanted to make it clear that this was NOT the case for all of us, simply because it was for her. However, it SHOULD have been directed in a post to him, and not to her. This is why I returned the apology to her...my attitude towards her wasn't entirely fair. I DID NOT set out to "lie," Puzz, and you know it...I was very upset over yet another attack on our predilection, I was very angry over personal events for the past several days, including the situation with Balancer, and the LAST thing I needed to see was another attack on us. Thus, though I don't regret saying most of what I said to SMG, I do indeed regret lashing at Poison. I hope this is fair enough, Puzz, because any further attacks from you will not diminish the sincerity of what I have just said.
Respectfully,
--Dissident
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