My official two cents :)

Hi, BB,

Good and thoughtful topic you started here!

Personally, I see nothing wrong with stories like that. Sexuality can either be a seperate thing from love or it can be an aspect of love. I think that most GLers see it as an aspect of their love for LGs. I love everything about little girls from the beautiful hair on top of their heads right down to their cute little (hot) toes. Yes, when I'm with Maggie I am FAR more concerned about just being with her, but sexual attraction IS part of my (our) existance. I think that those who protest such GMs are of the mindset that lusting after an LG excludes the possibility of loving her. I'm here to tell ya fellas, that's total and complete bullshit. I love my little Maggie, but I'm not going to sit here and say that her cute legs & ass don't turn me on. I'm not going to sit here and say that I don't look when her panties come into view. I'm also not going to sit here and tell a lie by saying I've never fantisized about her in that way....of course I have! Does all of this mean that I don't really love her? If you think it does, then I think you're insane - truly. I love her more than life itself, but that doesn't mean I have to be blind to the fact that her body is fuckin' beautiful!!!

I seem to have found myself on both sides of this issue, but to quell any sort of confuzzlement as to where I may stand on such an issue, here is my concise and hopefully succinct stance on this:

I fully agree, and have said before, that just because we express sexual attraction for a girl doesn't mean that we cannot also love her. I disagree with the puritans who contend that love is pure and wonderful, and sex (i.e., sexuality in general) is base and icky, and that the former is so much more beautiful when the latter is left out of the mix. I've stated before that love, like sexuality, has its dark side as well, and though sexuality can indeed be base and negative, it can likewise be beautiful and life-affirming, and is generally very normal and healthy to express an interest in. Further, I fully believe that romantic love suffers negatively when sexuality is thrown out of the equation, and that this one particular kind of love all but requires sexual attraction and activity in order to make it viable.

I also believe, fully, that one does not have to love a girl that he is sexually attracted to, and this does not necessarily denote immoral or dishonorable intentions on the man's part. It's quite possible in a future society, I believe, for a man and a girl (an AG, in this case) to express a mutual sexual attraction to each other, and to fulfill it with no expectation of any feeling outside of common courtesy to enter into the situation. I don't think the absence of love and strong emotional feelings necessarily "cheapens" the experience if both parties honestly didn't either feel or desire any special type of emotional bond or connection from the other.

Now, on the other hand, what you said above about your YF, BB, was perfectly fine, because you pointed out how much more about her you find attractive than just her ass and her legs. I've often expressed in my GM's that many AG's whom I have admired in the past had wonderful physical attributes, and looked absolutely killer in a halter top, but I also point out how much their creative use of words, their fresh viewpoint on different things, etc., was likewise attractive. In other words, my GM's, and those of many others here, were far from bereft of sexual connotations and observations, and nor should they be; however, such posts were sexy rather than sleazy. Furby's posts usually consist of nothing save for his desire to look up a girl's skirt, and he seems to have no interest in them as attractive people. When we experience an interval on this board where several posters are indulging in total sleaze, along with those mysterious unregistered nicks that always come along engaging in the same thing and then promptly disappear when the latest "sleaze" interval ends, the place becomes open season for any lurking LEO, CA, or parent with a mad-on for MAA's. I would be willing to bet, for example, that Furby is one of Julie Posey's fave MAA's on the Net, because he helps legitimize her misguided crusade in her own eyes, and provides her with ammunition to use against the entire community. Then, the next time some sociopathic NON-MAA aberration of humanity kidnaps and murders a LG or an AG, it will provide CA organizations with the requisite ammunition and all the onus they require to convince Congress that they need to get "tougher" on MAA's, who will be blamed for these horrific but thankfully infrequent crimes. Then, of course, via the domino effect, parental power is increased with the same legislation to "protect" the kids from the largely imagined shadowy dangers that lurk outside the home, thus subjecting children and adolescents to more frequent sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, including many incidents of murder, the vast majority of which occur INSIDE the home by parents and other family who have the most power and control over these youths, rather than strangers on the outside.

And what about those so-called "Furby moments?" If I see an LG in a skirt, should I try my best to avoid seeing her panties? What're you, nuts?! Any MAN is going to try to get a peek at a WOMAN's panties if he can, why the hell should you think we're different in that aspect? We're not. "Girl watching" is a great past-time of men everywhere. It doesn't mean we don't care about LGs and it doesn't mean that we view them as strictly sex objects. It means, very simply, that we're just looking at what we enjoy looking at. That's all! It's nothing more complex than that.

I fully agree here, BB. Do you think that if a 13 year old girl in a low cut shirt happens to bend down in front of me, I won't try to sneak a "quick peek" down her shirt, as all but the most puritanical men and bi or gay women would do if a woman with a low cut shirt bent down in front of them? Of course I would. I also love to watch scantily clad girls at a water park, the beach, or at concerts when I happen to be in attendance, and this in no way means that the other aspects of these girls escape my attention. I also love to watch AG's converse, hear the observations that they make, and see how cute they are when they jump around, scream in enjoyment, and basically display their complete love for life when they attend concerts and other such "wild" events. But I do indeed enjoy looking at their bodies because their bodies are beautiful, and this is in no way a sign that I disrespect them as human beings, or I look upon them merely as "pieces of meat." I think it's totally idiotic how the puritans make those conclusions if they happen to see a guy admiring a girl's body. On the same token, however, how you say it goes a long way towards showing whether you simply admire the girl's sexiness, which is completely normal and fine, or whether you have zero respect for her status as a human being, and again, this distinguishes sexiness from sleaze.

We're not looking up an LG's dress thinking "Damn, I sure don't have any respect for this bitch and I sure am glad she's nothing but a sex object." How can ANYONE think that?!

You know that most people outside of our community will connect our attraction to youths in various age groups with the desire to molest, kidnap, and murder them. It's easy for people to think anything when subjected to the right amount of propaganda from Super Culture all of their lives.

I think this is a big problem. A few people have gotten so high-and-mighty on the "innocent little girls" aspect of their attraction that they've completely forgotten that there IS a sexual aspect to our attraction and repressing/denying it is foolhardy.

I have always argued in favor of the above, and never against it. I, for one, as an exclusive AGLer, have no attraction on any level to the synthetic notion of "innocence." I'm merely concerned with the manner and frequency some posters have chosen to express this sexual attraction.

In short, there's not a damn thing wrong with expressing our sexual interests, especially when you consider that those interest have a very small chance of ever becoming real. So, guys, lighten up for fuck's sake! Look at some panties, pop wood, grin from ear-to-ear, and move on with life. It's not a national crisis, it's just "checking out the babes!"

I totally agree with the above, and I also agree that many people here do indeed need to lighten up. At the same time, however, I do not like to see our expression of sexual interest in youths be taken to the nth degree on a public message board. There are some things that are better left for discussion in the chat room, where we are usually only in the company of like-minded individuals who are not digging for dirt on us for the next Congressional hearing regarding what to do about the "pedophile problem" that is "plaguing" society.

-BB
(he who loves checking out the babes)

So do I, pal :) Though I don't do it when and where the likes of Julie Posey or John Walsh can see me doing it, if you know what I mean.

Your friend,

--Dissident