Re: Easy, Trigger!!

Are you done letting off steam now, JustIncredible? Good. Now that you have calmed down a little, let me clarify a few things...

in my mind being called a troll is worse than anything i'm about to say to you.

If you read my posts clearly, you would see that I did not call you a troll...I said that when you make some of the posts that you do, it can convince some people that you are perhaps a troll. Did I not say in an above post that I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt? Have I ever been as harsh with you as some of the other people on this board have been? Why didn't you react this way when Shennaigans outright called you a troll? Thank you for choosing me to let out all the anger on. It's no biggie, though...I have been called worse things than a "douchebag" in the past.

gain poularity with who? have i ever given a fuck if people like me here?

What I meant when I said that is certain people in the past (I won't name any names here) have gained quite a bit of popularity by becoming well known for making titilating posts that they passed off as GMs. I honestly don't know you well enough to determine beyond a shadow of a doubt is that is what you are doing here, JustIncredible.

As for caring or not caring whether or not people like you here...you can get people to like you by being a good person who always shows support to people when they need it and by supporting the overall community through thick and thin. Being liked is certainly not the most important thing in the world...if I thought it was, I wouldn't be a hebephile activist or a Marxist and therefore gain all sorts of scorn by mainstream society. I don't respect mainstream society. But since I do respect this community, I would prefer to be liked by at least a sizable number of people here because a desire to be liked by some people is a natural human quality.

chat room? oh fucking well, if all the people in chat are like you i don't want to be there. don't read my fucking posts then(not that there will be more anytime soon after this one i'm sure). literally don't even click on it, so i never have to listen to your accusations and inferior typing skills bullshit. you really have some nerve, you jealous prick.

In order to gain access to the chat room, you have to convince the mods that you are a basically trustworthy person and that you are more or less emotionally stable on a regular basis. Have you convinced the mods of these things yet, JustIncredible? Be honest with yourself there, please. It's only to be expected that the people in chat want to feel comfortable and relatively safe in there. You really shouldn't blame them for that. And I usually don't read your posts unless you ask for support. This time it so happens that I did, in order to see what Shenanigans was talking about. Hence, my comments. And when have I ever mentioned my "inferior writing skills" in a response to you? I made a wise crack and then later a defense of myself in responses to LOD, not you. So it would seem you are clicking my posts also (not that I have a problem with it, as this is a public board). As for me being a "jealous prick"...who exactly am I jealous of? I fully acknowledged that there are many writers on this very board who are better than I am, and I admire them and learn from them.

was it a rule breaking post? no, not even close.

You have been censured by the mods in the past for some of the stuff you have posted. I was simply pointing out that erotic fiction is against the rules of the board, so if it could be proven that you were making up stories (and I never said there was proof that you were) then that would indeed constitute the breaking of a rule. But since there is probably no way to prove it...don't worry about it.

where's the fucking hand book? because i don't see one mister perfect...and like it was mentioned before, how can you prove if a story is true? did i say we were on fucking mars or something? i have seen posts here much more hard to believe than mine. you make very valid points in your post, thers only one problem...IT'S NOT A FICTIONAL STORY YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!

I already mentioned the handbook issue with you in an above post (where you weren't upset like you were here). And I mentioned above that you can't usually prove if a story is true or not, unless the person confesses to others about it. But you can make guesses based upon what was said and also to take heed of patterns that certain posters seem to have in regards to how often they post things that appear to many to be veiled erotic fiction or attention-getting tales. If you say your story wasn't fictional, then fine. I will give you the benefit of the doubt. But please keep in mind that if you (or any other poster) frequently makes posts that often sound outrageous or caricature-like, then you have to expect people to express doubts about your authenticity. Trust should be given, but never blindly, and it must also be earned.

and what about my post is erotica? seriously, all i did was say what she did and i didn't even describe it all pervy like. i didn't even say i jerked off. i simply said it got me excited and went into the bathroom which is much more tactful. i swear you peices of shit are just never happy, and you know what i am thinking? it's just that you are not happy with your life. you think this stuff is impossible because in your pathetic little world you don't come close to anything like it, cause if you did you wouldn't even be questioning me. people like you are never happy and never will be. you hate your self, your life, and the fact that your not someone like me who actually has a great life that he wouldn't change for the world. i'm young, talented, good looking, kids love me, and i have some pretty amazing GM's. does that make you uncomfortable? is that so hard to believe?

Wow, and to think that some people seem to feel that I have elevated opinions of MYSELF!! :) Don't get me wrong, JustIncredible...if you truly are good looking and talented, and kids love you, that is great. And yes, I do wish I could have a life where I could be surrounded on many occasions by some wonderful teen girls. But this is NOT the type of society where that is wise. If I constantly had teen girls at my house alone (which I don't in deference to the laws, of course) I certainly wouldn't brag about it on this board. That would be almost asking for an investigation to be made on me and for the antis to use such posts against the entire community as "proof" that we routinely violate the law. I would never be uncomfortable with you simply for having many nice GM's. It's more along the lines of how you say things as opposed to what you say. As for not making this post erotic...though you watched what you said, you nevertheless made it clear how tittilated you were by the whole experience when you said you went into the bathroom afterwards. Is that inherently wrong? No, of course not. But it does make what you wrote appear to be borderline erotic by some who have read it.

you are a waste of fucking time. i don't give a fuck who you are or how long you have been here.

I'm sorry to say this to you, JustIncredible, but I wasn't given respect and trust out of the blue on this board when I first arrived here. I earned it in many ways over the last nine and a half years. And like it or not, that DOES count for something in the eyes of many people here.

i have always been respectful to other people and have always heeded warnings and used the advice i've gotten to be not just a better poster but a better girl lover. so now i won't take the high road as i have always done before, instead tell you and anyone else who shares your opinions to go to hell. i asked if anyone had advice or experienced something similar and now have read stories in response to my post that are way farther out than mine. there was a 5 yr old girl fucking masturbating in front of me, what do you want me to do call her mom? go on oprah? turn her into the animal officer for abusing her little kitty? jesus fucking christ. did i ask if people thought it was true? no, but you still had to give your opinion, well you want mine? no? well too bad. your just a jealous ingorant fucking loser, with too much time on your hands.

Since I do not break the laws, nor put myself in situations where people may mistakenly believe I was breaking the laws, or where I might be heavily tempted on some occasions to break the law despite my very good self-control, it cannot be determined whether or not I would have as many teen girls in my life as you have little girls in yours if society didn't have these restrictions. Hence, I have no reason to truly be jealous. Further, since I do not base the entire worthiness or value on my life based on how many teen girls I have in my life, or solely based on whatever interactions I may have with girls in my AoA, I do not lack self-esteem because there is far more to my life and persona than my attraction to teen girls.

With that said, I am NOT accusing you of breaking the law but I AM saying that, giving you the benefit of the doubt that your stories are true, you take MANY chances and then discuss it in detail on this board. Believe it or not, JustIncredible, not only do I not want to see this board get into any trouble because of some of the stuff that is posted on it but I also DO NOT want to see YOU get into any trouble either, especially since I fully believe that it's likely that you are NOT breaking the law. But some people believe it's extremely horrible to admit to being aroused by the sight of an underage girl masturbating, and I am NOT suggesting you should care what such people think but I am saying that such people could end up pushing for an investigation. And this investigation could possibly result in some of your young little friends being dragged into an interrogation room and questioned brutally by both cops and social workers with an agenda until they feel intimidated into telling these abusive adults exactly what they want to hear just to get out of that interrogation room. Also, the mere fact of an MAA admitting to being alone in a room with several young girls is going to cause many people to ASSUME out of hand that the person must be breaking the law, and that could also lead to an investigation. It's not about jealousy, it's about simple, old-fashioned CONCERN for your well-being.

i'm sick of people like you, along with the anti's, you are what's wrong with this place, a ban would probably do me some good. fucking douche bag do us all a favor & go kill your self. unfortunately, i don't think we'll be that lucky.

I am not mad at you for telling me that you hope I will go and kill myself (even though I am a bit puzzled as to why you chose ME to let all your anger out on when other people were much more harsh) because I know that you are just upset right now and that you didn't really mean it. Take some time to cool off and maybe we can have a better conversation in the future. Please keep in mind that I could have attacked you with the same degree of ferocity that you attacked me, but I understood that you were just upset so I tried to give you a reasonable response.

"Are you done letting off steam now, JustIncredible? Good. Now that you have calmed down a little, let me clarify a few things..."

yes i have calmed down but your still innacurate in many things you say. like that i have many lg's in my life. the truth is don't, but i don't claim to. i had a job for a while that put me in contact with lg's but only when there parents were around. when i have GM's i post them, that's just about all i do here in regards to posting.

"Why didn't you react this way when Shennaigans outright called you a troll?"

in my post to you i said anybody with your opinions and people like you...but for the record he's a fucking idiot. he says my story is complete fiction, well guess what, it's not, so that tells me his troll radar doesn't work all that good. after i wrote the "my response" post, which i'm thinking you must not have read because i addressed many of the innacuracies you have mentioned like that i was alone with these girls...because i wasn't.

"What I meant when I said that is certain people in the past (I won't name any names here) have gained quite a bit of popularity by becoming well known for making titilating posts that they passed off as GMs."

once again, i don't see what there is to gain by being popular here. if that was my goal don't you think i would have changed my ways drastically long ago? i mean isn't the point of GM's to share parts of your life to other glers that maybe don't get to experience any themselves? i frankly don't understand what someone would get out of addulation from a fake story. i do understand getting it from a real story, like when someone says "you lucky bastard" it makes you feel good and appreciate the moments you have.

"In order to gain access to the chat room, you have to convince the mods that you are a basically trustworthy person and that you are more or less emotionally stable on a regular basis. Have you convinced the mods of these things yet, JustIncredible?"

no, i most certainly haven't, but you said i would never get chat access. which was rude, that's why i said if it is filled with judgemental people who selectively pay attention to the facts i don't want to be there.

"But please keep in mind that if you (or any other poster) frequently makes posts that often sound outrageous or caricature-like, then you have to expect people to express doubts about your authenticity. Trust should be given, but never blindly, and it must also be earned."

this is an anonymous board, how much are you really going to trust someone? if this is the type of place where trolls can get close to people in real life by gaining there trust or impressing them with GM's and i was one of them then don't you think i'd not be acting the way i do? wouldn't i be trying to be a little more smooth? let me guess..."that's exactly what a troll woould say" it's fucking pointless to even argue this shit dude, no one should ever give up their real identity here. period. it's not safe. and by you guys saying exactly how you can gain trust and access is a little counter productive. also, you say shenanigans has weeded out trolls....i'm just curious, what proof do you have that they actually were?

what is outrageous about my post? because so far i have read many posts on this thread that have verified that these things do happen (not that i needed to hear that because it happened to me, so obviously it does, it was just nice to hear it isn't so out of the ordinary).

"in the past (I won't name any names here) have gained quite a bit of popularity by becoming well known for making titilating posts that they passed off as GMs. I honestly don't know you well enough to determine beyond a shadow of a doubt is that is what you are doing here, JustIncredible."

once again, your saying that you know people who when they post a GM it's the truth without a shadow of a doubt? what if they are just a really good troll? do you speak to or know them in real life? again, how do you know they're not just a really good troll? the answer is theres no way you can prove it with every one, you can only make an informed guess and trust your gut. well peoples guts have been wrong before....just like shenanigans when he said i was lying. i think you people are way too hysterical and i wouldn't doubt that while your bitching at people like me your rubbing elbows with a really good troll....wake the fuck up. do me a favor...prove your not a troll. exactly, you can't.

"As for me being a "jealous prick"...who exactly am I jealous of?"

again, i think your jealous because you don't have as many great GM's as myself or other people so you find it hard to believe anyone else could.

"If I constantly had teen girls at my house alone (which I don't in deference to the laws, of course) I certainly wouldn't brag about it on this board."

are you implying that i routinely am alone with girls? because again if you weren't so ill informed you would realize i have never said i have been all alone in any of my GM posts...at times i'm in a room alone but there is never a time when there isn't someone else a room away. i think what you people don't realize is that, no one wants to read a long ass post with information that is essentially irrelevant. like in my first post when said i was wrestling with 4 girls, what i didn't say (but did in my response to myself) that there were many other kids and adults coming in and out, and it was a family party. info that i really didn't want to say because it is details that can be used to identify me.

and you mentioned getting investigated, of course i wouldn't want that, but i have never spoke of breaking the law. and also, everyone seems to think i know exactly how and why people get investigated, outed, or labeled a troll. the fact is i don't. i've never been on here a real substantial anount of time, i have only recently started frequenting the site again due to the fact that i was out of the country for a while and did not have internet access, and also i really don't get into much of that stuff in regards to people trolling & such, again if i feel that way i just ignore it. okay so it is helpful for new comers to know that there are people here who's only purpose is to out them, and these new comers should be made aware of this, but why does it have to be at the expense of someone elses reputation? you guys are like a lynch mob burning witches at the stake based on shaky evidence, fear, and assumptions. why not just post a new thread to new users or respond to them when they give their "introduction" post. the truth is people think i'm a troll, well guess what i'm not, so your whole fucking theory is a big peice of shit. and if you think you have a real great grasp on who is and who isn't telling the truth think again. i come to post & read GM's, occassionally get advice or info from articles. i feel like unless i have something really important to say i keep it to myself. i don't read every single post. i am a very busy person and am frankly pretty self centered, that's why most of the time my only activity here is to brag about my GM's. it's like if you don't fit a certain mold you must be a troll....well once again, if there is such a strict mold for who is and who isn't then aren't we giving the enemy our trade secrets?

"I'm sorry to say this to you, JustIncredible, but I wasn't given respect and trust out of the blue on this board when I first arrived here. I earned it in many ways over the last nine and a half years. And like it or not, that DOES count for something in the eyes of many people here."

okay understood, but how do we know you aren't just a really good troll? how do we know that you aren't responsible for alot of the outings that happen? look, i understand respect is earned, but that doesn't mean outright ridicule, mockery and accusations should be in it's place until one earns that respect.

"Since I do not break the laws, nor put myself in situations where people may mistakenly believe I was breaking the laws, or where I might be heavily tempted on some occasions to break the law despite my very good self-control, it cannot be determined whether or not I would have as many teen girls in my life as you have little girls in yours if society didn't have these restrictions."

not exactly sure what your saying here but again, you assume i have many lg's in my life, which is wrong, you only think that because you are once again being selective with the info you pay attention to. it's the holidays so obviously the level of family and friend interaction is heightened, hence so is the lg interaction. also, i started dating a girl with kids so that also helped my situation. you don't read everyone of my posts so why must assume you know more than you do?

"With that said, I am NOT accusing you of breaking the law but I AM saying that, giving you the benefit of the doubt that your stories are true, you take MANY chances and then discuss it in detail on this board. Believe it or not, JustIncredible, not only do I not want to see this board get into any trouble because of some of the stuff that is posted on it but I also DO NOT want to see YOU get into any trouble either, especially since I fully believe that it's likely that you are NOT breaking the law. But some people believe it's extremely horrible to admit to being aroused by the sight of an underage girl masturbating, and I am NOT suggesting you should care what such people think but I am saying that such people could end up pushing for an investigation. And this investigation could possibly result in some of your young little friends being dragged into an interrogation room and questioned brutally by both cops and social workers with an agenda until they feel intimidated into telling these abusive adults exactly what they want to hear just to get out of that interrogation room. Also, the mere fact of an MAA admitting to being alone in a room with several young girls is going to cause many people to ASSUME out of hand that the person must be breaking the law, and that could also lead to an investigation. It's not about jealousy, it's about simple, old-fashioned CONCERN for your well-being.

"Further, since I do not base the entire worthiness or value on my life based on how many teen girls I have in my life, or solely based on whatever interactions I may have with girls in my AoA, I do not lack self-esteem because there is far more to my life and persona than my attraction to teen girls."

okay i understand and appreciate that point but again you are assuming that i give correct details. i've said this before i lie alot in my posts. but only when it comes to identifying info (maybe i'm lying now and really do give all exact details, get my point) but the heart of the story is always true.

i also don't base my happiness upon my interactions with girls in my age of attraction, i would be this happy without ever having them, but they are certainly icing on the cake. also, my point is in my experience whenever someone is trying to chop someone else down it's usually becasue they are not happy with their own life.

also, i don't fear for a second that a lg would be able to be pursuaded to say anything because i am never truly alone with them and i never do anything that could be construed as innapropriate.

"I am not mad at you for telling me that you hope I will go and kill myself (even though I am a bit puzzled as to why you chose ME to let all your anger out on when other people were much more harsh) because I know that you are just upset right now and that you didn't really mean it. Take some time to cool off and maybe we can have a better conversation in the future. Please keep in mind that I could have attacked you with the same degree of ferocity that you attacked me, but I understood that you were just upset so I tried to give you a reasonable response."

i appreciate your understanding, and do truly apologize for my name calling. obviously i was very frustrated.