Re: Reply for Dissident

I can't read their minds or determine what their motives are for doing so but I perhaps can conjecture that they might not want to make the issue even bigger than it already is, perhaps advised by some professionals who might see a greater number of "possible" parties interested in such material.

Not coherent. They don't have any such compunction regarding content piracy; which is the offense which, logistically speaking, is most like online distribution of KP.

Well, that is news to me, they all work in the same department do they? That is simply ridiculous. I am not privy to their workings and as I pointed out you will find desciptions of the material if you care to look and perhaps believe what they say.

When in the 1970's all pornography was made legal in those two Scandinavian countries there was a relatively minor explosion of child pornography, what has happened since the arrival of the Internet might be seen as a nuclear explosion in comparison.

So, let's ban the internet. Works for North Korea.

You reading my mind at last? Ever seen a night shot of North Korea, very peaceful, and poor. Just pointing out the reality matey.

this is not so but rather exploration of the subject and often results in "sex-play", something entirly different from "sexual desire."

Please, do not evade the point. Write, on a post, a definition of each one, different enough that you can decide immediately upon having the facts which is which, and which does NOT appeal to age as a criterion.

I still think your only criterion is age. Same as the only criterion to distinguish between legal sex and statutory rape is age.

I think that might be difficult since the varieties of experiences and maturity levels and combinations of such preclude such a definition but any website giving the normal development of children would suffice even if they would not conform to what you might see as "normal."

So ...

Preschool children (less than 4 years) - Exploring and touching private parts, in public and in private; rubbing private parts (with hand or against objects); showing private parts to others; trying to touch mothers or other womens breasts; removing clothing and wanting to be naked; attempting to see other people when they are naked or undressing (such as in the bathroom); asking questions about their own and others bodies and bodily functions; talking to children their own age about bodily functions usually involving primitive slang.

Young Children (approximately 4 - 6 years) - Purposefully touching private parts (perhaps masturbation), occasionally in the presence of others; attempting to see other people when they are naked or undressing; mimicking dating behaviour (such as kissing, or holding hands); talking about private parts and using naughty words, even when they dont understand the meaning; exploring private parts with children their own age (such as playing doctor, I will show you mine if you will show me yours, etc.)

School-Aged Children (approximately 7 - 12 years) - Purposefully touching private parts (masturbation), usually in private; playing games with children their own age that involve sexual behaviour (such as truth or dare, playing family, or boyfriend/girlfriend); attempting to see other people naked or undressing; looking at pictures of naked or partially naked people; viewing/listening to sexual content in media (television, movies, games, the Internet, music, etc.); wanting more privacy (for example, not wanting to undress in front of other people) and being reluctant to talk to adults about sexual issues; beginnings of sexual attraction to/interest in peers.

Sexual behaviour that might be a problem includes any act that: Is clearly beyond the childs developmental stage (for example, a 3-year-old attempting to kiss an adults genitals); involves threats, force, or aggression; involves children of widely different ages or abilities (such as a 12-year-old playing doctor with a 4-year-old); provokes strong emotional reactions in the child - such as anger or anxiety.

I will be telling you that it doesn't take too much knowledge to locate the sources of much of the material and they are not about to suddenly vanish in a puff of smoke.

Antonymous differs.
http://thehackernews.com/2012/07/oppedochat-alleged-child-porn-sites.html

Have you seen that game where you hit little things as they pop up but the little bleeders pop up somewhere else? As I said the stuff is here to stay unfortunately.

but what I believe is best for children.

So, locking them up and registering them is best for children? Isolating them from any adults (or indeed, anyone who is not a peer) except parents (and siblings, those who are fortunate enough to have them) and teachers is best for children? Keeping them inside the house for fattening in front of the TV instead of allowing them to go play outside is best for children?

Sigh, this is why we'll never be able to understand each other...

I doubt we can either since my picture of the world does not correspond with yours. You right, me right???

Life isn't perfect or fair and it can be brutish and for some it is truly miserable. Since most of the cases involving child sexual abuse do occur within the family environment it is sad that families are often broken up but so also are the experiences of many children. How would one compare the life of a child prostitute who might be involved from the age of six or so until perhaps fifteen and perhaps contracting AIDs with the life of a child worker in carpet-making for example?

there is also the consideration that the very processes involved in forming such relationships might have an equal affect towards conditioning one to not see such relationships as abuse. If you can see this as equally likely then we might make some progress.

And this is different from what happens in adults, how?
http://www.amazon.com/Love-Sick-Mental-Illness/dp/1560256478

Presumably because adult are mostly finished with their development in most ways and children are not?

that particular piece didn't come from her but from another book specifically about child prostitution

So, child prostitution (realexistierende) is an accurate description of the pro side?

Rich...

Que? It was an example of how children often take much of what is happening within themselves and are willing to suffer the hurt rather than expose the adult to it. I commented that this is often seen in child prostitutes too. You think there is no comparison?

I don't think it is always the case but the fact that there exists on the hidden side of the Internet a "guide" as to how to get involved with children sexually which points out those most likely to respond to such advances - those who are in need of affection when lacking it from others - might make one suspicious. Basically pre-pubescents do try to please those whom they love whilst at the same time also trying to push boundaries and get whatever it is that they want at that moment. Of course their behaviour will vary considerably.

Hidden? Guides are pretty much available. I have read more than one.

And really, they leave you with the impression the guide is a pretext for the narratives.

But there is nothing in the guides that you couldn't find in any parenting book, really - except the target is not to get good grades but to get sex. That is, it appeals to generalities of children that are equally valid in the sexual sphere as they are in other spheres.

The one I found was on the hidden side and was specifically targeted at paedophiles (child-lover in GC language) and I think a similar one on Amazon was withdrawn - not sure what that contained exactly.

I would find it difficult to place myself in the mind and body of a child experiencing such events - would you?

I find that to be an apology of forcible rape. A "don't do it consensual because she's going to blame herself; instead, rape her because that way she won't"

Too deep for me.

refuse to look at what is actually occurring because their sexual desire interferes with their thinking.

http://www.amazon.com/Love-Sick-Mental-Illness/dp/1560256478

Can't be bothered.

I do not think I have to describe how I see such children

Oh, but you have: as expensive china dolls that break to pieces the moment anyone so much as lays an eye on them, and that have no feelings of their own except those implanted in them by Evil Adults.

Must get rid of that target-shooting gun I have in case I accidentally kill a little girl. Sigh!

I am an evil bastard, I think Diss has me sussed, and now you too. Shucks!

You might be content with your life, perhaps as much I am with mine, so perhaps we should agree to disagree.