I'll not get into an anti-USA tirade but if you think that what the US has is democracy at the moment then good luck to you.

No, I don't believe the USA is a true constitutional democracy. I believe that due to its economic system, it's actually a plutocracy that provides nominal democratic rights strictly in the political sphere, and I have said this often. However, the constituents who run the country purport it to be a constitutional democracy, and the main tenets on which America was founded are supposed to be democratic, so it's therefore an ideal I hold the nation to support and expand.

Perhaps I failed to say her parents were in the car and there was nothing in my mind approaching what you are implying - my attractions are way higher than a 2-year-old. What I meant is that because the child obviously liked me - I had only known her as a 2-year-old for about a week or so - she voluntarily did an action that I had done probably because she liked me rather than anything else - which can be a big issue in "coaching" or "grooming". There was nothing sexual about it. I did something once and then she repeated it.

My point being, that because she evidently liked you, she liked the contact, and showed no discomfort with it. That doesn't mean she would have shown no discomfort at any further action that she truly disliked. I am not NOT recommending any type of sexual activity be initiated with toddlers, but it is clear they are capable of displaying via emotional reaction what types of activities that discomfort them, and which they do not. And older children are even more capable of displaying this, verbally as well as emotionally. Older children (not toddlers) is what I am basically talking about here. Nevertheless, I have had toddlers show obvious discomfort at simply being picked up by an adult unnecessarily when they did not want to be picked up.

This is just a single incident that showed to me how easy it is to get children to do what one might want and especially when they are so young.

But that incident/experiment did nothing to "prove" that a very young child (i.e., a toddler) would also do something they found personally discomfiting. This is something they are fully capable of doing, and I will give you a real life example of my own, also involving a 2-year-old.

When my cousin's daughter was 2-years-old, and they lived close to me, we were having a family get-together and my grandmother asked me to pick her up so she could reach something that she was too short to reach, so I walked over to her to pick her up by gently lifting her under each of her arms. She put her arms down and groaned with annoyance and a frown on her face, as she didn't want to be picked up for whatever reason--so I instantly stopped, and told my grandmother, "Sorry, she doesn't want me to pick her up." My grandmother replied, "Well, just pick her up anyway." I said, "No, because she doesn't want to be picked up, and since her personal safety is not in jeopardy, I'm not going to do that when she clearly doesn't want me to." That made it very clear to me that a 2-year-old will not just go along with an adult whom she likes (I remain fairly close to that cousin of mine, even though she now lives far away; she is presently 15) even when they initiate some type of entirely non-sexual contact, and are fully capable and willing to articulate it. Hence, my point that older children (whom pedophiles, as opposed to nepiophiles, tend to have their attraction focused on) are even more capable and likely willing to do so, and many MAAs--who are sensitive to this type of thing for many obvious reasons--may be even more likely in many cases than a Non adult to honor the feelings of an underager in such instances. How many children clearly dislike being subject to unwanted non-sexual but intrusive kisses and hugs by adult relatives, but do so because their parents will yell at them and censure them for being "rude" if they refuse--yet they eagerly run and hug older relatives whom they want the contact with? I'm certain we have all witnessed this phenomenon, and everyone I know well on this board supports the right of children to refuse any type of physical contact with anyone else if their life doesn't depend on it.

I have had enough children in my life - nieces, nephews and some little friends - to understand how they probably see others, especially adults and how affection towards those adults will play a huge role in how they will behave - and often suffer because of their affection or love.

Ditto, pal, with "little friends" being the daughters of close friends of mine--the above incident I gave you being a prime example of an event that underscores my point. As both a MAP and a youth libber, I am fully sensitive regarding when an underager wants or does not want any type of casual physical contact, and I have always honored their feelings and individual personal boundaries to a greater extent than most other adults I have known, not a lesser extent. And considering the large number of fellow pro-choice MAPs I have known over the past 12 years in this community, I have full confidence that they have always done the same. Since typical MAPs have a conscience and are fully capable of empathy, and due to the strong pro-youth rights principles the pro-choicers among us tend to have, we tend to be more, not less, sensitive and positively responsive to the comfort zone of underagers than the average Non, not less.

Please do not read more into my posts than I put.

I never got the impression you initiated something sexual; I was talking about doing an 'experiment' in a general sense. I think I understood what you meant and responded fairly, and I believe this posts makes that clear.