Re: Wow Ethan.

You have to quantify why they would be happier without a pleasurable consensual experience that doesn't involve a society or therapist that convinces them it was wrong way.

(Aside: I don't think really mean "quantify" here?) This is a very reductionist view of human relationships and experiences. If it was pleasant experience you agreed to at the time, then any later reappraisal is a mistake?

What about if some older kids convince you to make fun of a kid with intellectual challenges( to their face). You agreed to it, you found it fun at the time. I don't know about you, but I think what the older kids encouraged you to do was not at all nice, and as the younger kid I would regret later having done it.