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What makes it a witch hunt or not? That is the ?

Posted by Dissident on Friday, November 24 2017 at 3:45:31PM
In reply to Devils... posted by Dante on Thursday, November 23 2017 at 5:11:40PM

And perhaps Dissident would be less inclined to assume that systemic workplace abuse isn't largely witch-hunt if I were to describe Weinstein et-al in terms of the Capitalist exploiting the female Proletariat. :)

I guess this is a call for me to clarify. So I shall.

Those in power tend not to handle it well. The fact that the majority of people in power are males will, obviously, result in the majority of people abusing power being male. That is just numerical logic-cum-common sense. Whether or not these power hierarchies are justifiable or not is actually getting off-topic and steering into the old economic system debates that I am not inclined to take another collision course with. In fact, I can clarify my point here without broaching the "rightness or wrongness" of capitalism issue and make it palatable for all of us to relate to regardless of how we feel about that topic.

I agree with you that a man who abuses his position to get sexual favors from a teen girl as did the hypothetical example you pointed out is NOT a GLer. Censuring someone like that is fully justified. So, what exactly makes it go from a case of justifiable abuse of power that needs to be censured to a witch hunt that needs some crucial scrutiny before acting upon?

In my estimation, the latter happens when the matter stops being about censuring people in power who abuse it to gain uncalled for favors of any sort from others and starts being about only censuring and targeting a specific gender and a refusal to acknowledge that all people in power -- regardless of gender, age group, or sexual orientation, etc., et al. -- have an equal potential to become corrupted by that power. SWJ's are not concerned with ending the abuse of power per se so much as ending the disproportionate ability for men -- mostly of the white and heterosexual variety -- to commit it in favor of allowing women to take the disproportionate reins of power in their place. This attitude is not about a quest for justice and righting wrongs, it's about revenge and replacing one set of wrongs with another set of wrongs that are less emotionally dispiriting.

It becomes a true quest for justice and legitimate form of censure to compensate those who have been genuinely aggrieved when the focus is on people who commit such acts when in power, rather than specifically men, and recognizing that power can and often is a form of corruption rather than being male, white, heterosexual, etc., somehow constituting an inherent form of corruptness by proxy.

A witch hunt is when, as you noted, a mere off-color remark or casual touch gets conflated with acts of actual coercion or rape if a man should happen to say the remark or make the casual touch. If you see SJW's of both genders (and every variation in between or beyond) actively denigrating men and wailing about the "patriarchy" rather than discussing how to curb abuse of power in a general sense, this is an indication that a witch hunt is afoot. If you see them ignoring the many outright horrific things women have done when they have fought or bargained their way into positions of political and/or financial power, and each of us here can bring up plenty of examples -- an exhaustive list, most likely -- then it seems a very strong bias is afoot. And none of us would deny that the list of men who did the same is much longer, but we may and likely will put up the fully cogent argument that this is simply because men have been in positions of power much more often. Now that this status quo is beginning to change, however, we see many women trying to strut the power trip themselves and gain entitlement under the guise of seeking "justice," thus showing that all along they were only human rather than something "above" what men are.

A witch hunt is when a desire to get to the truth of whatever the matter is, and to judge it accordingly, is superseded by a quest for vengeance and guided by bitterness and uncontrolled desire to shed the blood of a certain demographic you resent, rather than a sincere, passionate desire to do the right thing for whoever the right thing needs to be done for.

In conclusion, a quest for true justice is to penalize anyone who abuses their position of power to gain uncalled for favors or submission from others, with the punishment varying according to the degree of coercion or deed (e.g., simply excessively criticizing someone verbally is less of a crime than coercing them into submitting to unwanted sexual advances). A witch hunt is when only men -- or any perceived "majority" demographic -- is exclusively targeted, and women who do the same in similar positions are either not acknowledged or rationalized away as a "lesser" crime because an "underdog" committed it against a "true oppressor", or when women who are caught lying about such an instance are given a free pass due to it being rationalized as "understandable pain" or deserving of sympathy rather than censuring.

This is how I feel the very important distinction is made.



Dissident






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