Such as?

Getting the worst of the SJW nonsense for not being an attractive male specimen.

Criticized and bullies all my life for being less interested in sports and cars than comic books, sci-fi, writing, etc., since it's not "manly."

Being ostracized by my family for the same reason.

Denied professional positions and promotions due to "office politics," i.e., I did not have opinions that were mainstream, and thus held back for personal reason by the people who had the power to make these decisions.

Having a skill set that requires a lot of hard work, yet does not usually happen to result in making a lot of money, which proves we do not live in a meritocracy. I have lived in poverty and been on the verge of homelessness many times, including during the present. That is one of the things that has (at least in part) required some of my periodic hiatuses.

Being criticized and pressured to get married with someone my own age because this is what is expected of everyone.

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

For every example you can give me where the US is bad, I'm sure I can find other places which are worse in the same respect.

It should not be that way anywhere in the world. And it should not be as bad as it is here.

No, this isn't to say that you shouldn't complain because "you're so lucky to be in the US". It's just a reminder that the glass is always greener.

It should be FAR greener here than it is considering the resources this country commands. And deriding conditions in other nations just makes it clear how little the US does to improve the situation anywhere in the world. Epic fail on two counts.

Your own personal divergences with how American society and culture deal with some things which are dear to you cloud your sight and prevent you from seeing how the US is, even in those things, not always as bad as you feel it to be.

No, it helps me realize that the US is not as rosy as you think it is simply because the way it is meets your approval no matter how bad it is here. Things do not have to be good in order for many intellectuals to support it; it simply needs to meet their intellectual and emotional sensibilities.

No. For pedo hysteria, it's either Airstrip One or the UN. The US follows them. Probably Australia is also ahead of the US.

The US got the ball rolling, and keeps it rolling quite well no matter how often it may periodically spike past us in other Western nations.

For youth rights, show me one US example and I'll show you worse abroad.

Youths DO NOT have rights here, regardless of what their individual living conditions may be. This is what you're not getting, because you are letting your blind jingoistic loyalty get in the way. The same thing that brought out your asshole side prior to my last hiatus. And far more youths live in levels of poverty here that they should NEVER come close to experiencing, no matter how worse it may be elsewhere.

Yes, the US record is pretty bad. But it is definitely not the worst,

It's more than bad ENOUGH, and can always get WORSE if we tolerate it at the levels it's currently at rather than fight to improve it. You keep overlooking this fact. The fact that younger people still cannot vote, unable to access any information without parental permission, frequently unhappy enough to run away from home in large numbers each year, are unable to choose their relationships, and the fact that we are still arrested for even kissing a younger person we may love or for looking at and admiring a nude picture of one of them, and younger people are arrested for sexting each other makes it more than clear that it's terrible here, no matter how "worse" it may be elsewhere, and that you are letting your US jingoism compromise your dedication to youth rights.

and on every subset of youth rights you could find places which are decidedly worse. (Except maybe on sex... but even on sex, most AOC violations are never enforced...)

The Aoc laws NOT enforced here?? Are you seriously that delusional?

Since you're so used to see the bad, you can't see that there is room, and often a lot of room, for worse.

Since you want to kiss the ass of that flag every chance you get, you refuse to see that the above is NOT the point. The point is that things are more than bad enough, and I am well aware of how worse it can be, which it can easily get if we start looking at the current situation through rosy lenses ('cause we're lucky enough to be in the US! And I love the US's system!) and cease fighting hard to improve things and stop them from getting as bad as they could be.

No.

I'm truly sorry, but I've learned better than to put so much intellectualism into GC posts. I could spend 3 days researching to find good links for everything; but why?, if nobody reads them anyway (not like, nobody, but people continue to reply after very obviously not reading them).

The fact that people do not agree with some of the worst epic fails on your part, that you make periodically amidst all the admittedly good stuff you have contributed over the years, does not mean they are reading you wrong or fail at being intellectual. In fact, one need not be intellectual to see that some of the things you have said and supported periodically are bad.

I could lengthen every post two or three times its original length to flesh out every piece of an argument and nuances that I can see; but why?, if the people I most often truly contradict (the Vichy crowd) just fallacy their way out anyway.

Looking down on those who disagree with you does not make them worth looking down on. That would include me, of course, since you and I agree on far, far less over the past year than we used to back during the days we were close friends and allies.

If you mistrust me so much you think I'm defending actual rape, well, go ahead then.

No, I do not think you are doing that, for the record. I think you are making it easily seem that you are to those who do not know our community well, but may be willing to if they find real evidence that the antis are wrong about us--which is compromised when they see you embracing tactics like this. That is my main point: the people who do not know you well will think these things, and contrary to what you seem to think, we are not without potential sympathizers and even allies among the Nons. But your continued insistence of thinking of all Nons who peruse this board as antis causes you to be willing to embrace ideas with that in mind, which is reacting to the wrong situation, since there are many fence-sitters out there that are honestly here to develop their own opinions. Assuming all of our Non lurkers are antis and ignoring the existence of the fence-sitters due to their virtual silence is a major problem, because much of the latter category of Non are worth the time and effort to make a good impression on.

It will hurt me, but I can live. Same for everyone else.

I'd be more sympathetic with your complaints that I hurt your feelings when I get hard with you if you hadn't provoked me into that fight over the capitalism vs. socialism thing just prior to my last long hiatus, which resulted in you and Baldur tag-teaming me, and which you quickly began throwing insults and personal attacks at me as a result of. I'm not saying you shouldn't disagree with me on anything, but I am saying that you know it was stupid and counter-productive to elect to go tooth and nail with me on that, to the point of ignoring other things going on at the board at the time that we could have stood united on, since you knew precisely what the outcome is always going to be, and that that topic is not directly relevant to the purpose of this board. For my part, I try to avoid getting on your case about topics I know we will never come to an agreement on, and which will only result in fighting, insults borne of frustration, and potentially a mutual end of respect and friendship--which came close to happening last time on my end, and is now coming close again since you and Baldur are both starting that shit once more.

However, when it comes to topics that are fully relevant to our situation and that of younger people, like the use of language issue, then I have no choice but to oppose you on that, since that matter is very on-topic. I'm sorry if it hurts you, but I no longer feel bad for you after receiving a taste of your less than positive side. So, yes, in this case, you will have to deal with my less than positive side as well.

But since I never said "oh forcing girls to have sex against their will is awesome", allow me then to point out that it is others who are putting those words in my posts.

I will reiterate my point again, since you seem to have misunderstood before: I do not think you are saying that. But I do think it looks like you are saying that to many who do not know you, and do not know our community, that well. And it includes many from the Non community who are not our enemies, even if they fear speaking out in our defense at this point in time. This, however, only increases that fear, and provides wonderful quote-mining info to those Nons who do indeed hate us, and have every advantage against us in the media.

And in the end... In the age of information, ignorance is a choice. And much more so if you read and speak the English language.

Not necessarily, because the ready availability of information these days does not mean that everyone will correctly interpret what they read, especially if it's written in such a way that will make it hard to do so, at least for the laymen and unfamiliar.

On other issues, other posts, and other statements, this is what we would criticize of Vichy. Their assumptions about the Pro Contact camp.

And if you already think the worst, too bad. I'd like to stop Islamophobia, but it is beyond the scope of GC, and beyond all the more so of the scope of a post which is not even about the merits and defects of Muslim values and cultures per se, but about allowing younger girls to enter a legally recognized contract to marry a guy. I believe that pedos who shun traditional religion are wrong, on several counts. I believe that one day it will be evident that traditional religion is a very big ally; and those who shun it still will have to go Vichy. But it doesn't hurt me if you call Muhammad "the pedo prophet" or if you call me (or any Muslim) a Kebab. I'm beyond name calling. I'll fight Islamophobia, and Christophobia, and every attack on traditional religion; but it isn't my every waking thought, and especially not on GC. If you think the worst, too bad. Now again, how can anyone ask Vichy and antis not to think the worst too? For that matter, how can anyone ask the guy reading kebabnet.com not to think the worst of us Franks?

First off, what is all this Vichy business? I clearly missed something during my last hiatus.

Secondly, when have I ever been one of the die hard atheists and anti-religionists that you have met here in large numbers? You know I chose an alternative religious path to the Religions of the Book due to my dissatisfaction with the Christian religion I was raised in and the status quo they favored, but I did not ultimately choose agnosticism or atheism. I eventually found what I considered good reason not to do that, though I respect and support the rights of people to dissent from all religion, I have grown increasingly glad that I didn't choose that path, because the path of atheism is not right for everyone.

Thirdly, regarding "traditional" religion if by that you mean the Religions of the Book, I have been critical of their dogmatic aspects, and will continue to be, but when have I ever argued that they are entirely bereft of positive points and contributions to the world depending upon the context in which they are used, and what aspect of them we happen to be talking about?

Finally, instead of your constant pissing-fests with me over my disagreements with capitalism and the "wonderfulness" of the US, consider going toe to toe with some of the atheists here, including Baldur. Why am I passing the buck like that? Because I'm frankly sick of the insistence of you and him over the past year insisting on starting pointless fights with me about off-topic issues we are never going to convince the other of, and I wouldn't mind seeing you and him give it to another person you supposedly respect and like personally yet disagree on some profound matters on.

In other words, since the anti-religion thing doesn't apply to me personally, kindly take it to Baldur, who would truly disagree with you on that matter, and then engage in a pointless argument over religion with each other that neither of you will ever convince the other to change your respective POV on, so you and him can get off of me with these pointless circular fights you both insist on subjecting me to over the past year. If you both want to piss on me about these things over and over again, which is seriously threatening to damage my respect for and respect for each of you, then consider taking the pissing matches to each other for once and give me a breather. Otherwise, don't whine about my hurting your feelings or getting harsh or insulting, etc., since your bad, combative, need-to-vent side is going to bring all of my own out in short order.

"Also, what if Lensman actually ends up seeing this? Things will go nuclear"

Oh well, one Kebab country has nukes too. I guess I'll have to call Islamabad...

As I told Baldur, I truly will feel bad for you if Lensman ends up seeing all of this. And what is this "Kebab" business?