You behave MUCH more like Billi the troll than Dissident.

On many definitions of trollishness, I agree that neither of us qualifies. But on any definition that would include me, Dissy is worse -- unless your definition of troll includes "says things I disagree with".

why the fuck even with the torture crap you thought up as a comparison (I can only assume) to your being called a cynical liar?

I got your attention, then. (My hypothetical dealt with "desire", which means their fantasy, not behavior. Who would get touchy about fantasies?) I do think they are roughly equivalent, which means I value integrity more than you do. My mistake was daring to think that Dissy could be held to a standard of discourse that includes that level of respect. So now I've made my case on that point for the lurkers and the open-minded, even if the in-group closes ranks around him.

With Dissy's past and future wordy replies in mind, and the "troll" label off the table, I'll have to replace it with something fitting... "Don't feed the deluded character assassins."