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O rlly? (with a full nod to Dante!)

Posted by Dissident on Thursday, August 16 2018 at 01:09:45AM
In reply to shrug posted by EthanEdwards on Wednesday, August 15 2018 at 09:13:06AM

On many definitions of trollishness, I agree that neither of us qualifies. But on any definition that would include me, Dissy is worse -- unless your definition of troll includes "says things I disagree with".

In this case, your definition of "worse" is having the temerity to disagree with the mainstream worldview much more than you do.

I got your attention, then. (My hypothetical dealt with "desire", which means their fantasy, not behavior. Who would get touchy about fantasies?)

Who would get "touchy" over that? Maybe people who saw your hyperbolic analogy for precisely what it was: an attempt to make an outrageous comparison that doesn't hold up to logical scrutiny. It could easily be taken as a thinly veiled accusation.

I do think they are roughly equivalent,

Which is why the "in-crowd" here does not give such outrageous analogies the free pass you might get if you made such a comparison on a board dominated by the real in-crowd and its bully pulpit. Which also no doubt irritates here, since you are used to getting "respect" elsewhere that you do not necessarily receive here.

which means I value integrity more than you do.

No, it means you value the preservation of the basic status quo much more than Balto and I do. Plain and simple, brau.

My mistake was daring to think that Dissy could be held to a standard of discourse that includes that level of respect.

You mean, the level of respect that demands ignoring what the evidence strongly suggests you are really up to because it's "impolite" to point out what I believe is a clear truth? Please note that I tried to give you that respect for a few years now, Ethan, only to see you throw out the same obvious bits of often thinly veiled insults, assumptions, and accusations ad nauseum before ultimately "breaking down" and ending the discourse with a quickie post that does nothing more than hurl insults. You are now reaping what you have sowed for some years now. If we have to deal with it from you, then sometimes you will have to deal with it from us. Especially after we've had enough of it. I am one of the ones who has shown you a lot of respect and even defended your right to post here in the capacity of a mod when others wanted you gone, because you do not generally violate the FAQs nor do I think you're a troll (and I still do support your presence here in that official capacity). And most here save for the newest of the newbies are well aware of this and are not going to overlook it as are you due to your personal issues with me.

So now I've made my case on that point for the lurkers and the open-minded, even if the in-group closes ranks around him.

You've made your case for years now, and I'm sorry it bothers you that you find it irksome and "disrespectful" to deal with one of the few places either online or offline where the "in-crowd" is not the usual far more numerous and advantaged in-crowd whose validation you want. Along with their powerful corporate sponsors, of course, since acceptance by the powerful is what you really desire. A place where a pro-choicer can earn respect, rather than automatically lose it by default over strictly emotional issues is not palatable to you, but that's too bad. You have no idea what it truly means to fight against strong obstacles with a non-popular stance, Ethan, which is why your claims (and similar claims from others of your ilk) to being some sort of persecuted minority that is unjustly disrespected and marginalized is seen as ridiculous egotistical whining.

I am likewise confident that the open-minded lurkers, including those on the fence, will make a judgement, only it's not the one you are used to receiving elsewhere. Just deal with it, Ethan: Just because you are considered the bee's knees in most places due to your towing the popular and emotionally appealing party line doesn't mean you're going to be viewed the same absolutely everywhere. Some may even argue that you need to be knocked off your high horse at times, and yes, I happen to be one of them.

We have to deal with millions of you every day, so expect to deal with a few dozen of us whenever you grace us with your enlightened presence. But do not expect the red carpet everywhere, because not everyone will agree you have earned the royal treatment. And since GC and cyber-locales like Tom's blog do not depend on appeasing corporate sponsors, you are not going to enjoy the huge advantage normally given to your side of the argument like you will most other places. If this locales are an irksome thorn in your side as a result, then you are just going to have to deal with that constant pinching sensation. Capisch, mein freund?







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