Saying that there are hordes of MAPs who are sick of a place where the pro-choice camp dares to be in predominance, how we tend to "take over" any board we're on because we dare to be vocal, and how VP is such a superior alternative in general, was clearly a major crack at this board. You don't need to say such things in so many words, you make it quite clear via rhetoric of strong implication.

I said regular GC posters disagreed with us. Any pedophile is eligible to join VP on an observer basis if you want to see what goes on there.

That was not all you intended to say, Ethan, and you know it. Not that you shouldn't say whatever you please, as long as it doesn't violate the FAQs, mind you. I just feel it was very warranted to challenge your statements. You are, of course, free to promote VP as much as you want here, since it's not just pro-choicers who are welcome.

Not at all. I was just noting that some pedophiles feel that way, and their voices might not be heard very often.

Their voices are heard quite often--in fact, every time they hear the subject covered on a talk show, virtually every time they see or hear "pedophilia" mentioned in a work of published or televised fiction, and every time they read an article by or about a MAP in a mainstream online liberal zine. Their voices are heard plenty, but they cannot expect to be the dominant voice, or never be challenged, no matter where they go.

"GirlChat" comes up 217 times when I search for it in the VP posts. Here's from a post from May of this year: "VP members who want to debate those issues are welcome to go elsewhere to talk about them. I'll even give you some tips: GirlChat and BoyChat."

Thank you!!! Which shows there are many in the community who are not totally sick of us or believe we should just shut the hell up.

I've reviewed my posts from August so far. A fair number sprang from your "40 things about antis" post, but covered a far broader ground than legalization but child liberation more broadly. Other posts included (1) telling Billi her arguments against adult-child sex were weird and unconvincing,

And it's so easy to miss and ignore Billi's posts, because she doesn't engage us often, right? Please do not insult us by suggesting that the pro-choicers are the one-trick ponies on this board, Ethan. Again, you know better.

(2) rejecting "if you're not one of us you can't understand",

In what context did I say that, Ethan?

(3) saying mandated reporting is a big problem and not just a limited one, (4) answering the research finding on girl-attracted pedophiles being 10 times as common as boy-attracted ones, and

(5) saying pedophilia is an unfortunate accident and not something adaptive.

I never believed it's "unfortunate", it's a natural state of being that one does not choose. It's "unfortunate" only in the sense of being born in this particular era as a MAP for obvious reasons that in no way impugns the attraction base. Are you taking me wildly out of context here?

I would, of course, like to see links where I actually said these things in the contexts you are implying. Also, I have often discussed girls in literature, comic books, movies, video games, etc., and how pervasive their influence and way with language impacts on the culture as a whole, since I think girls are just plain awesome on all levels, including many outside the realm of their sexual attractiveness. I have likewise offered support to everyone who has asked for it, regardless of their ideology.

And I think it's well-known that I have discussed many aspects related to GL and what it's like to struggle in general with the attraction based and stay within the law at the same time, something that may appeal or be of interest to all MAPs regardless of our ideological stance, since all law-abiding MAPs struggle with these issues. In fact, I had such a post planned between yesterday and today that would be both dealing with this issue and act as a request for support on my end as I struggle with it, but our latest round of charming exchanges side-tracked me on that. It will be appearing, however, and I hope it generates much insightful commentary that all MAPs will find of value.