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Posted by Eeyore on Sunday, January 13 2019 at 8:06:08PM
In reply to I think they did quite well (details in this post) posted by OMGLG on Sunday, January 13 2019 at 04:25:32AM

My reaction was too intense to realize is was that "other" APA. However, the one with "Psychological" in its name tends to be even more politically aligned, though maybe less influential.

At the same time, I have to respectfully disagree with your viewpoint. We're in a time where all traditional male behavior (and nearly all traditions generally, it seems to many) are under constant attack. I am personally witnessing the proactive shaming of any and all traditionally male behavior in recent years, and I clearly see some different motivations for it than you.

While I can understand and sympathize that there are always a segment of any group who doesn't relate to or cannot possibly fit the general expectations of things like traditional gender roles, I also have come to believe that it is not up to the rest of society to change itself to simply conform to minority group preferences. Even as a girl lover, I've never demanded that I be considered an example of normalcy. I know that I am a minority in my attractions, and have only ever demanded respect and tolerance, and perhaps a role or place within a system that includes the traditional family unit.

I also don't believe in this medicalization of masculinity, deeming it some sort of condition. While you may see it as a welcomed event, I see it as politicized posturing for the current times we are living in. I certainly don't see boys and young men becoming more masculine,. which might indicate fears to stave off tendencies for violence or similar concerns. What I actually see is the exact opposite, oftentimes to a disturbing degree. Testosterone levels are even on the decline, sometimes attributed to diet and toxins in the food, but in any case, they are declining.

Young males who display any sort of traditional masculinity today are routinely feeling shamed and excluded within college and university environments. Little boys who are deemed too rambunctious at school are being sedated. I'm just not seeing things from the same angle as you, or at least not in my own offline life. I say this even as someone who always sneered at hypermasculinity, the overpumped jock who swaggered around without his shirt on in cold weather, the schoolyard bully, and even the team mentality that carried on off the field (which to me, always seemed to have a little bit of latent homoeroticism going on under the surface).

No, I cannot help but see them as trying to help along the old Down with the patriarchy! movement that has no room for traditional heteronormative behaviors, certainly no place for being white or male, and I have to say, contrary to your hope, has repeatedly declared that adult males who prefer younger girls exemplify everything that they are fighting to eradicate.

So I'm looking at this in terms of self-survival. Being white, male, hetero, turned off by 24th wave ugly feminism and those who support it, and all while using my "patriarchal power" and "privilege" (I sure don't feel like I have any of that) to "dominate" or "seduce" and "oppress" girls simply to extract what I want for myself... well, it wouldn't seem very rational to me to be supporting any of it. So I don't.

I've said in a few previous posts that my views on many things have changed over the time I started here almost 20 years ago. I wouldn't say I was naive then, but I've also had the benefit of time to see history unfolding, and building up that mental rolodex of experiences to reference simply by the benefit of time lived.

I don't know if it's a time for duking out political differences for ourselves at a time when most of western society seems to be beating one another up over it. My view is to use it as a time to build some unity while everyone else is off rumbling.

Yeah, my view is masculinity is not the problem. If you can't seek help for something that's bothering you, I think you could just as easily be female. I'm also reminded of the extreme reverence toward stoicism in many Asian cultures. So I'm not in line with it. Sorry. I can agree to disagree.

Eeyore





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