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Re: Running from the problem is no solution

Posted by tonysa on 2006-January-12 04:58:20 EST, Thursday
In reply to Running from the problem is no solution posted by Markaba on 2006-January-11 19:01:38 EST, Wednesday

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Look Markaba, I admire you and relate to you. I read your posts often, they strike a cord with me because I feel the same way you do all the time. But I feel you are misunderstanding me.


""""It's never good to run away from a problem. It may be convenient for some of us to run away and adopt children in Timbuktu, but it doesn't address the problems HERE in the U.S., which is a country I still love, though I despise its system of government, and the current administration in particular. If all who could afford it took the easy solution out, then we'd still be abandoning our poor brothers and sisters here and making the problem that much worse on them. If you care about the community as I do, then your solution is no solution at all.""""

Relocating is not running away from a problem or abandoning your problems. It's putting yourself in a better position to live the life that is best suited to you.

I would love to live in the naive world in which you do and believe that I am engaged in some struggle against this mysterious force that is against pedophiles but that's not the way to deal with things. As I stated in another post, if you were a Jew in Nazi Germany, would you stay? A black in Alabama in 1950? A Christian in Rome? NO.

You can disagree with me or not, that's fine but don't degrade me for my decision. I'm old. I'm tired of fighting and I was tired of sadness. I simply wanted to find my own slice of happiness in this life just for myself. I had a bad childhood, very little happiness in my young adult life and did my fair share of activism. Enough was enough.

""""There are ways that you can alter your life and live the way God intended you to be. Personally, I found life as an exclusive pedo in the U.S. so unbearable that I moved and have since adopted children in the new country that I am in.

God has nothing to do with it, or rather, God is 99% of the problem. The vast majority of people who oppose a sexually open and tolerant culture do so in the name of God."""

You misunderstood me due to my lack of writing it correctly. I do not believe in God in the Christian sense of the word. I mean God as a force of nature.

"" I'm happy you could leave your family and friends behind so easily and find happiness in a foreign country """

It wasn't easy at all. It was very difficult but something that had to be done in order to find greater happiness later on. I suffered a great deal as we all have.

"""in the relative comfort of your anonymity,""

I am only anonymous on here but not in my everyday life.

""" wiling away your days bragging on GC about your adopting children, but as for me, I care far too much about this community to do that.""

Actually I care about the community to tell them truthfully of my expreiences. If it seems like bragging to you, so be it.

"" My conscience will not allow me to take such an easy way out"""

In my mind, you ARE taking the easy way out. You are denying your true self and not living as you know in your heart you should be all the while flaming someone like me, who has chosen the road less traveled.

""--for better or worse, I'm here on the front line to defend our brethren from persecution and let the world see that I'm not the selfish, licentious type of guy they accuse us of being. Yes, I suffer sometimes, but it's for a reason.""

You are not defending anything. You existence in the U.S. and your activities there have not made one bit of difference to cause pedophiles to be more accepted at all.

I'm really sorry to write that and that is a jagged little pill for you but it's true.

Not one bit of difference. Yet you are willing to sacrifice your entire life and your own happiness in the delusion that it does.


"""It sounds to be as if you have NO choice but to follow suit. What else are you going to do? Stay there, stay miserable, and then what? I don't know your legal situation but if you're able to travel, by all means DO IT. Grab a backpack and head to south America, eastern europe, or asia. Find a place that is more agreeable to pedophiles. And then adopt, there are MILLIONS of children that have no home at all.

Wrong--you still don't get it. It doesn't matter where I go; my conscience will not rest until the culture I live in begins to realize its error, and it will in time.""

Ok fine, you will be the martyr for all of the pedophile kingdom. You will be our Christian thrown to the lions. You will sacrifice all and yet make no difference.

Me? I'll just enjoy my life and relationships with my children where I'm at and die a happy and free man.

""" Until then, I stand up and, hopefully, deflect some of the blows from my brothers and sisters here. As an out ped, I must provide a true example to the world that we are what we say we are--moving to Timbuktu and adopting kids would only make me look as suspicious as you appear to be, and furthermore, it's doubtful I'd even be able to adopt now if I wanted to. That is another part of the price of being outed.""

That's not true and you obviously haven't checked on foreign adoption laws for it's RESIDENT citizens.

For someone who defines his entire being as a pedophile, I'm surprised you are not aware of the many options available to you and the differnent laws and attitudes that affect you throughout the world.

"""Only then will you feel love and contentment.

I doubt it would be so easy. I will never be content until we have our rights HERE, in this country, and society has largely stopped persecuting us. I may never see that in my lifetime, and I'm prepared to live with that. In fact, as I see it, I have no other choice."""

Ok fine, we will all erect a shrine at your gravesite in Washington, D.C. when you are hung on the White House lawn for being a pedophile. Boy, that will really help the cause of pedophile rights, huh?

I'll put a flower or two on your dead body as I stand side by side and hand in hand with my lovely little girls.

Yeah, you really made a difference, huh?

"""I don't want to hear that you are unable to travel at this time or move or anything of the sort. Where there is a will, there is a way. If you're on probation or something then wait until you are off and then travel. In the meantime, save up your money or start an internet business that you can do from another country. Plan plan plan.

I'm not on probation because I'm not a criminal. I simply opt not to take that route. Yes, there are millions of children who are homeless and suffering, unfortunately, and they are being sacrificed in the name of the current social purity movement as well.""

No most of them are homeless due to the corruption of their government and as a result of failed communism and socialism.

""" Perhaps some day the world will feel the weight of its own judgment and experience the guilt and shame it deserves to feel for condemning those children to lives of miseey, starvation and death out of its own misguided prejudices against peds, the vast majority of whom would gladly have adopted those children if they were allowed to do so."""

Um....you are allowed to do so. Just don't tell the home study workers that you're a ped and you can adopt.

I'm shocked that you never checked into this. I thought you loved children? Well, there's probably a couple hundred within a hundred miles of you with no home at all. Will you help them? (that question is rhetoric as I know you have a conviction of some sort).

""Do not just sit there wallowing in misery. Do something about it.

I AM doing something. For starters, I'm out of the toybox, like I said, a huge step that few of us have undertaken. That in itself is the first step to fighting the prejudice--being open and proud of who we are. It isn't always easy, like at times like these. But such moments invariable pass and make me fight all the harder. I also have a website with my life story, my thoughts and feelings on child love, my art and fiction, and yes, my name and face."""

I admire you guys for doing that because doing that negates any sort of relationship you could have with a child. But at the same time, I know that such a thing could be the result of your own repression and self loathing causing you to do that to internally sabotage yourselves and ultimately prevent yourselves from having a relationship with a child.


If you were a pedophile and could only live in happiness if you had a relationship with a child and the one thing you could do to prevent such a relationship is to come out in public and declare yourself a pedophile, I can only question your real motivation for doing such a thing.

"""" Also, I'm currently gathering funds for Lindsay so that he can continue representing this community the way he does best--travelling, spreading the word, and keeping his webpage up and online. Lindsay is our very own Johnny Appleseed, but he plants seeds of tolerance and truth. """

That's fine and your right to do so.

"""" Furthermore, I'm a moderator on this board, a nearly full-time job in itself. And I have many other projects in mind for the future of this community and the underlying child lib movement now in its infancy. What are you doing for your ped brothers and sisters?"""

Well, for one thing I'm not denying myself personal happiness by living my life as a ped and I'm not dissuading others from doing so either. If you want to line up on the chopping block to have your head cut off to think you are furthering some cause, so be it. I won't.

Markaba, I am not your enemy and you shouldn't spend you time flaming me. I understand your position. I used to think like that. But at times you reach a point in your life when you realize that it's best to grab at whatever happiness you can find and hold onto it.

Sometimes, 'causes' are lost causes. You will carry on your made-up struggle and fight until you are an old man and then realize that your life has been wasted.



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