It's only "bullshit" to you because you do not know them, or hang out with them, in real life. It's impossible to determine how "out" someone is off the boards if you do not know them. And I've found that when people know you personally, and come to respect you for your actions and overall behavior, your views are tolerated as much as your actions are.

There is no evidence for it but your word. Sorry, but you'll have to do better than that to convince me.

Which is why I was never "in the toybox" in the first place. But that doesn't mean I trumpet the fact that I'm a hebephile to every person and every venue that I go to, so that this becomes what I'm primarily known as to everyone. And I never compromised my principles or views to gain greater acceptance, and never gave into shame and guilt over my natural attractions. And though I haven't always gotten along with everyone in my community, I never turned on them as a means of externalizing my own inner conflicts and need to vent. You're not the only anti-choicer who has done this either, Markie (remember Leon, as another prominent "blast from the past"?).

I'm not asking you to trumpet your sexuality everywhere you go. I don't do that either. I'm asking for evidence that there are people who are out as pedophile activists (hebephiles barely count, since attraction to pubescent females is normal even if it's against the law).

That doesn't make you brave, Markie, considering what you did and what you turned against to (hopefully) make yourself more acceptable to the status quo you remain loyal to despite how it is.

Riiiiiiiigggght. Keep saying it--you're really good at lying to yourself, so eventually you'll probably come to believe it.

Please remember that the next you suggest that any pro-choicer not loudly rioting down the street "I'm a MAP! I'm a MAP! Woo hoo!" is some type of coward.

Well, every time you call me a sellout, I will keep pointing out that your ilk are cowards, because you are. Not a single one of you has the backbone to stand behind your convictions publicly. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck . . . :)

I wish more of us were out to some degree at least too, and have said that often, but there are mitigating factors in people's lives that can make it very dangerous to do this, and saying "bullshit" to that is being knowingly disingenuous. You have experienced first hand what can happen to those who are "out" if they come to the attention of vigilantes, and it happened to you even after you went the anti-choice route. Our detractors care as little for our views as those who know and respect us well.

Of course there are mitigating factors. If this shit was easy, everyone would do it. But that's what courage is: doing what's right despite the "mitigating factors." You can make endless excuses. There are always going to be reasons that make it difficult. I'm came out because someone needed to do it, despite all the hardships I faced--and still face--because of it. But I'm not backing down anymore. This is who I am and I will fight for the right to be who I am, because it's the right thing to do.

And by the way, I know very well there are a lot of people who could care less whether I identify as a pro-contacter or an anti-contacter, which is why your accusation that I changed to an anti-contacter to appease the public is bullshit. It's just a way for you to get under my skin, as you well know, since you are very well aware that it only matters that I'm a pedo in many people's eyes. But it is what it is.

Then I call bullshit on this, as would anyone else who has read your posts over the many years you have been a member of this community. You love presenting yourself as a victim, and you only started doing that in a major way after you had the first major breakdown while a member of this community, one that caused you to switch to anti-choice in the first place. That was partly as a response to being pissed at the community for remaining neutral after a major dispute you had with JD rather than coming out to your side, and partly to do "damage control" over the personal fall-out you experienced after "coming out." No one who remembers the timing of that and witnessed your behavior and posting history over the years would believe you have any degree of respect for yourself or your attractions. The fact that you frequently contradict yourself is further testament to that.

LOL, alright. Your memory of those events is a tad off, I'd say. Neutral? No. Most people turned on me like dogs when I changed sides, proving they were never my friends to begin with. I do wish things had gone down differently than they did. I made mistakes, which I have atoned for (even though you never fail to take delight in bringing them up every time we get into an argument and twisting that knife despite your claims of forgiveness, because that's just how you roll, innit?) This is just petty of you to keep bringing up the past and holding it over me, but frankly, I'm not surprised.

Yes, your shame and guilt over your own attractions, and how you feel that tailoring your views to public sentiment will make you more acceptable to them. That is still a major theme of your posts today, in fact. Sorry, Markie, but I duly recall how you lambasted us for having feelings not in harmony with public acceptability the first time you left - for a year, as I recall that particular time - to try and get yourself "cured," and strongly suggested the rest of us do the same. Those are not the words of an emotionally stable person who does not hate what they are, and who isn't desperate to become acceptable to the prevailing status quo in some fashion (once they realize they cannot be "cured").

Apparently you are too stupid to understand the nuance (I should expect no less from the 'all or nothing' crowd), but there is a difference between moral convictions and self-hate. I know in your mind being a pedophile is synonymous with being a proud supporter of child molestation (even if you don't call it that), but it's just not true.

There is no point in going on with this discussion. You clearly have no intention of letting up on your bullshit, and you know I'm right about your cowardice. We're getting nowhere. And yes, our friendship, such as it was, is at an end, which you're fine with I'm sure, despite all your insincere back-patting and pretending like we're best buds. You're fucking Ramsay Bolton, dude--a sociopath who smiles and twists the knife at the same time. Go to hell, Dissident.

Here's the truth: you're all child predators who are too cowardly to actually molest children, so you spew your resentment at society for having the gall to protect their kids from you.

And that's all, folks.