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Posted by Dissident on Tuesday, October 18 2016 at 6:42:48PM
In reply to Privileged Few posted by qtns2di4 on Tuesday, October 18 2016 at 6:30:35PM

The environmental record of anti kapitalist countries is far worse than that of (the usual devil) the USA. The Aral Sea, China's demand for the extinction of sparrows and elephants...

Despite their rhetoric to the contrary, there were no true "anti-kapitalist" countries, since every single one of them had the main important features of capitalism: class divisions, money, a price tag on every needed item, production according to a profit motive, a state, and a professional police force and military controlled by an elite few. A true socialist system would be based on social ownership and would lack all of the above features, and thus would have no motivation to harm the environment.

At least it produces a privileged few, instead of 100% of paupers.

Only primitive communism produced an equality of poverty, because at that time in human history, technology and production was unable to produce an abundance for all (or even a surplus for a few, as was the case when class divided societies like ancient slavery, feudalism, and early pre-Industrial Revolution capitalism emerged, each taking the place of the other and representing a higher, more progressive form of society and production). That is far from the case today: we can now produce an abundance for everyone, so that neither privilege nor pauperism for anyone is the case, but everyone lives free from want and the fear of insecurity. That is the next advanced stage, which the early generations of capitalism made possible. What you're arguing against is not what I'm arguing for.

From those scary and dangerous owners of gold bullion! Worse than terrorists and pedophiles, I tell you!

Stop it.

Funny that, class mobility increases as economic regulation decreases.

Mmm-hmmm. Doubtless because of all the social programs that help elevate people out of poverty if they are unable to do so themselves, because none of the capitalists want to hire them since more labor-displacing technology and outsourcing has occurred, which results in less money in the hands of people to purchase products, which results in more lay offs and outsourcing to find cheaper labor elsewhere... oh, wait, that's not how unregulated capitalism works! You can do better than that, Qtns.



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