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Posted by rainbowloom on Wednesday, December 06 2017 at 2:49:46PM
In reply to rebuttals posted by EthanEdwards on Wednesday, December 06 2017 at 11:55:58AM

Why not? I might reframe it as, "the nature of girls being as it is, there are unavoidable risks of harm that exceed any benefits, so it is good social policy to prohibit adult-child sexual contact." The "we see ourselves as incapable" focuses attention on us pedophiles rather than the overall situation.

I need citations for "unavoidable risks of harm that exceed any benefits", because that's a ludicrous judgment to be making about other people's choices in lack of solid evidence in the face of a convincing set of testimonies depicting something rather different.

And, I don't sugarcoat my decisions or try to locate responsibility outside of myself - especially not when talking about pedophilia.

It's hard to quantify things that were deterred and didn't happen. What do you want to use as your "best example"?

A kid had a genuine relationship with a significantly older person that lead to some amount of (illegal) sexual conduct and nobody gave a shit because they either didn't find out or the older person wasn't a perceived threat. Later, no psychological dysfunction was experienced by any party.

Not my "best example" by a long shot, but about on par - don't you think?

What do you mean here? "Out" pedophiles agitating for lower AoCs? I wasn't aware of any of us/you doing that. I would argue it's not good to put your life on the line if it's not part of a strategy with a reasonable chance of success.

Anyone who claims to be non-anonymously pro-legalization/decriminalization.

But more specifically, anyone trying to make this orientation work for them in any contemporary culture, rather than saying "I'm just not good enough".

(If I were you I might take the liberty of re-framing that as "too good".)

Anyway: I would argue that it's always better to put your life on your line than to live a pretend one. You have fun with that.

Meanwhile the results of my decision-making lead to the conversion of my extended family to a mindset that is compatible with the practice of my orientation, so I've essentially already won my battle and am hopefully convincing others to cautiously tread a similar path.

I don't really believe that what Virtuous Pedophiles currently brings to the table is very relevant to any culture that wants to move on - and the "solution" that you represent is actually morally reprehensible.

(The fact that you don't see it as such is frightening.)

Similarly, if the prepubescent girls can organize marches for the right to sexual activity with adult men, people would listen much more sympathetically than to any pro-legalization arguments WE make.

I don't know how you expect a disenfranchised group to march for the right to anything... but once again, the "frame" you seem to be using doesn't match what anyone else is actually saying.

I march for the right to be myself, and since that doesn't involve hurting little girls (and results in a lot of perks for my friends and family), I usually don't meet resistance, believe it or not.

I didn't see anything I would have called an observation log. What did you have in mind?

Maybe read the entire first half of the post again? And then, if possible, try and make the connection that you're actually not on the right side as far as changing any of that in a positive way.

.... Do I grieve the impossibility of ethically having a sexual relationship with a young girl? I do, but it is due to my understanding of what young girls are like, not laws and societal attitudes.

Actually, it's because of a lack of opportunity and then it branches out to a bunch of different contributing factors.

None of the "ancestors" of this post are by you -- I'm not replying to you here. Are you speaking of your "The usual" post? I don't immediately see that in there. I can't reply to everything, and that post had enough incomprehensible statements and snide tone that I ignored it.

I was offering my kindly advice.

snide tone

Yes. Unfortunately, I can't talk to you without roasting you a little. I find your presentation comical. I'm sorry if this offends you.

incomprehensible statements

Please elaborate; perhaps I can help you understand.

~ RBL










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