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Posted by kratt on Friday, April 27 2018 at 0:36:53PM
In reply to Danny Whittaker's exchange w/ Tom O'Carroll Part 3 posted by Dissident on Friday, April 27 2018 at 10:35:05AM

"Or should it be pedophiles, who just want to have sex with them?

First of all, MAPs seek no control over the autonomy of kids. They would come and go in our lives as they pleased, and dictate opinions and conditions to us as they individually saw fit.

Further, arguing that we "just want to have sex with them" (again, the manipulative implication of penetration that is most often not there!) is a very disingenuous and frankly cruel dismissal of the emotional and social side of MAP attraction bases. Mr. Whittaker's dismissal of the full personhood of "minors" causes him to insist that MAPs couldn't possibly see kids as worthy romantic partners, but only as "objects" to glean sexual gratification from."

Controlling and abusive husbands of adult women are also Adult Attracted Persons. A large fraction of adult men just want to have sex with women. Not all, but a very nonnegligible fraction.

"I also find it interesting that the same people mocking me for suggesting a power imbalance between pedophiles and children in the context of a sexual relationship, suddenly consider power imbalances a serious issue when it comes to parents acting as a barrier to the people you’re trying to have sex with.

He assumes the fact that one of the two hypothetical partners is an adult automatically constitutes an inherent power imbalance. This is because in his understanding, adults are supposed to have total power over kids, and be nothing more to them than authority figures outside of the caregiving aspect."

Note here that the power imbalance is NOT only one between children and adults!
The fact that a child is not legally free to walk out of a classroom does not only create a power imbalance between a child and a teacher. It also creates a power imbalance between a child and a same age bully.

"How convenient, and utterly hypocritical that that pedophiles are so quick to recognize the “adultist” (the attempt by pedophiles to appropriate this term is comedy gold by the way) power of parents, but refuse to recognize their own, and the inevitable problems that arise from it.

Considering how we do not seek power over kids, and considering a power differential in either partner's favor is not something we typically seek, Danny is engaging in assumptions based on societal ignorance. He is also presuming that kids automatically give deference to adults simply for being adults,"

Paedophiles, by seeking relationships with children less powerful than themselves, are creating power differentials - whether it is unintended side effect or the goal.

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