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Ramblings on books
Posted by Moth on 2007-April-04 04:30:16 EDT, WednesdayIn many ways, parents can be conceptualized as 'external frontal lobes' for their children, helping to interpret environmental demands, and construct and execute appropriate responses. Given the behavioral consequences of having an immature frontal cortex, parents subsume a number of frontal functions by instructing their children in the absence of their own abstract reasoning. Parents attempt to maintain control of where and with whom a child goes in order to minimize behavioral transgressions in the absence of the childs ability to make good decisions. Importantly, parents also provide feedback that allows the child to modify their behavior.
http://www.theteenbrain.com/about/publications/pdfs/2006-Baird-Morality.pdf (short)
However, it also might be instructive to see how Level 2 could operate (p10, up till about 10-years-of-age) to see how different prepubertal minds might work compared to teenagers and hence their abilities for full consent.
Moth
ps. A few more books you won't want to read since I will mention them are (some not exactly new either):
'Emotional Intelligence' by Daniel Goleman - controversial at least, but many of you seem to be as much in need of help here as I was and still am in my understanding of the role of emotions in my life.
http://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Intelligence-10th-Anniversary-Matter/dp/055338371X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence
'The Stranger in The Mirror' by Marlene Steinberg and Maxine Schnall - has some interesting stuff, particularly on the effects of child-abuse and also on 'alien abductions'.
http://www.amazon.com/Stranger-Mirror-Marlene-Steinberg/dp/customer-reviews/0060954876
For some light reading, how about:
'The Origin of Consciousness in The Breakdown of The Bicameral Mind' by Julian Jaynes.
(Recommended by Douglas Adams (The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy), who also liked to read Tolstoy too)
http://www.darkermatter.com/issue1/douglas_adams.php
Or how about 'Stumbling On Happiness' by Daniel Gilbert (which I stumbled upon in the library), a professor of pyschology elucidating much of the latest knowledge we have about the way our minds work. Very entertaining style of writing too, mostly.
http://www.amazon.com/Stumbling-Happiness-Daniel-Gilbert/dp/1400042666
(you needn't read all 108 reviews!)
pps. For all of those a little 'Rind-the-bend' and insist on this as proof of pedophilia in the general population. Just a few thoughts. It is generally agreed that we are genetically predisposed to find babies attractive - presumably for their own survival. This seems to include the baby features (large eyes and baby facial arrangements) and also the facial symmetry that seems to underlie all our notions of beauty. Emotions can be confused - we don't 'think' emotions, we feel them, and so we have to describe them subsequently in relation to other emotions and thoughts. Basic emotions are relatively easy to describe - happiness, sadness, etc. but this is not so easy for other more complex emotions. Perhaps when we feel this attraction to babies - and perhaps by extension to the young in general we misinterpret our emotions and attraction to them as being sexual. Research has shown that arousal can be misinterpreted so that fear may be seen as lust for example (example in Gilbert's book), how much easier would it be for a child to misinterpret their feelings than an adult? Judging by the number of you who have atypical environments in your youth, this has a better chance of being causative than any genetic influence.
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- about Moth's genesis of pedophilia - Student on 2007-April-04 14:52:08 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- Nature/Nurture - 28 on 2007-April-05 08:41:43 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Nature/Nurture is secondary... - Student on 2007-April-05 23:44:29 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- 'Just a few thoughts' - thats all - Moth on 2007-April-05 06:03:14 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Non magical head shrinking. - Hierophant on 2007-April-04 15:05:47 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Nature/Nurture - 28 on 2007-April-05 08:41:43 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Babies, attractive? - tyciol on 2007-April-04 14:01:28 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 10)
- ~checks~ Yup. -nt - jd420 on 2007-April-04 22:31:19 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Babies, attractive? - The Captain on 2007-April-04 14:53:27 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 8)
- It is still there - DiscerningEsoteric on 2007-April-04 16:20:11 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: It is still there - The Captain on 2007-April-04 16:31:52 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Babies, attractive? - tyciol on 2007-April-04 16:08:10 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 5)
- Re: Babies, attractive? - The Captain on 2007-April-04 16:43:49 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- but that is really not a 'given,' shipmate - Student on 2007-April-04 18:35:22 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 3)
- Re: but that is really not a 'given,' shipmate - Moth on 2007-April-05 11:44:01 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Re: but that is really not a 'given,' shipmate - The Captain on 2007-April-05 03:26:42 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Thanks for agreeing, Captain, the assumption... - Student on 2007-April-05 22:06:39 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- but that is really not a 'given,' shipmate - Student on 2007-April-04 18:35:22 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 3)
- Re: Babies, attractive? - The Captain on 2007-April-04 16:43:49 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- It is still there - DiscerningEsoteric on 2007-April-04 16:20:11 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Ramblings on books - DiscerningEsoteric on 2007-April-04 13:48:15 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Ramblings on books - Moth on 2007-April-05 08:01:06 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Ramblings on books - Dante on 2007-April-04 08:41:38 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 5)
- Re: Ramblings on books - Moth on 2007-April-04 10:52:34 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- Re: Orwellian Newspeak double-talk - Student on 2007-April-04 13:56:21 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 3)
- Not so - Moth on 2007-April-05 07:35:15 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Why quote me and then talk about something else? - Student on 2007-April-05 22:03:22 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Perhaps read article - Moth on 2007-April-06 09:31:19 EDT, Friday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Why quote me and then talk about something else? - Student on 2007-April-05 22:03:22 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Not so - Moth on 2007-April-05 07:35:15 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Orwellian Newspeak double-talk - Student on 2007-April-04 13:56:21 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 3)
- Re: Ramblings on books - Moth on 2007-April-04 10:52:34 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 4)
- Re: Ramblings on books - webmanager_critest on 2007-April-04 08:30:55 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- was Moth a researcher for `secret life`? - apple on 2007-April-04 06:12:12 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 17)
- eeny meeny miny no - Moth on 2007-April-04 08:21:56 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 16)
- lookie: 'convicted of having sex with' - Student on 2007-April-05 00:13:54 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- I think you're wrong about something - Trucker on 2007-April-04 17:22:20 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 11)
- 'paedophilia is evil' - apple on 2007-April-11 10:07:49 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Re: I think you're wrong about something - Moth on 2007-April-05 06:57:09 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Surely... - 28 on 2007-April-05 09:09:49 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- don't worry about gary glitter - £££££ in store - apple on 2007-April-05 08:10:48 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: don't worry about gary glitter - £££££ in stor - Moth on 2007-April-05 10:23:57 EDT, Thursday - (3 / 0 / 0)
- Question for you, Trucker - Student on 2007-April-04 18:53:33 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 5)
- Re: Question for you, Trucker - Trucker on 2007-April-04 23:36:34 EDT, Wednesday - (3 / 0 / 4)
- Re: Question for you, Trucker - Baldur on 2007-April-05 03:06:28 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Question for you, Trucker - Student on 2007-April-05 01:07:26 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- My mistake - Trucker on 2007-April-05 03:53:19 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Thanks -nt- - Student on 2007-April-05 21:42:28 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- My mistake - Trucker on 2007-April-05 03:53:19 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Question for you, Trucker - Trucker on 2007-April-04 23:36:34 EDT, Wednesday - (3 / 0 / 4)
- Can't have been? - tyciol on 2007-April-04 16:18:44 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Irony mate nt - Moth on 2007-April-05 07:03:59 EDT, Thursday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- Entirely true, but - Student on 2007-April-04 18:45:11 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- eeny meeny miny no - Moth on 2007-April-04 08:21:56 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 16)
- More magical head shrinking? - Hierophant on 2007-April-04 05:31:10 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 2)
- That's what all the patients say - nt - Moth on 2007-April-04 07:24:46 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- i think Moth has a valid point - apple on 2007-April-04 05:41:38 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 0)
- are you going to pay us? - apple on 2007-April-04 05:08:56 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 1)
- Your loss chum - Moth on 2007-April-04 07:23:04 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 0)