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why Dissy is wrong :-)

Posted by EthanEdwards on Friday, April 27 2018 at 10:32:59AM
In reply to A debate on Margaux Fragoso's memoir posted by Dissident on Thursday, April 26 2018 at 5:01:43PM

I've been arguing the anti-legalization here on GC going back at least to 2013. Much of this ground has been covered before, though I don't recall arguments about Margaux Fragoso in particular. My opinions on legalization are more nuanced than a lot of people think and are laid out at length in a series of blog posts here: http://celibatepedos.blogspot.com/2017/03/index-considering-pro-legalization-pro.html.

Margaux's "Tiger, Tiger" is a 2011 book. Among pedophiles, it has been reviewed in blog posts by Tom O'Carroll (https://tomocarroll.wordpress.com/2014/08/21/love-is-confoundedly-complicated/) and me (http://celibatepedos.blogspot.com/2014/10/tiger-tiger-subtle-sex-abuse-memoir.html). I think it's a great book and encourage people to read it.

Margaux reached out to us at Virtuous Pedophiles during the summer of 2016 and made 30 posts. She was at that time optimistic about her treatment for ovarian cancer, but sadly died of it in 2017.

Dissident starts out with the assumption that pro-legalization opinions among children are far more common than you would think because any such views are harshly repressed. I agree there is some repression but think lots of kids make their opinions known regardless of what anyone else thinks. There's no solid data on this in one direction or the other. His contention is not falsifiable, though Occam's Razor suggests that the main reason you don't hear such opinions is simply that only a very few kids hold them.


Kids know they will likely pay a severe penalty for speaking out about that topic, especially in a world where their YouTube channels are routinely shut down or videos removed if they show the slightest bit of nudity, or even broach the topic of sexuality

Has a teen's social media account been shut down solely because they argued in favor of legalizing adult-child sex? It doesn't sound common, and I'd love to hear of documented cases.

Would [Margaux have felt distressed] if she had grown up in a culture that did not demonize such relationships?

Yes. Here are Margaux's own words from VP:

I def. felt like I loved Peter and wanted to marry him back but with no sexual feelings attached to him. Eventually I [gave into pressure and] gave Peter the blowjob at eight, which was highly traumatic for me, even though I lied and said I wanted to. All I wanted from him was attention and affection that was fatherly and I knew instintually that by doing what he wanted we could continue the magical world and his paternal affections that I so desperately needed. Had he been chaste with me I would've been less likely to be bullied, more capable of saying no and standing up for myself.

If it was commonly expected that girls would give blow jobs to men even if they felt no sexual desire for them and she'd seen it done, I suppose she would have been less traumatized. But that's not the kind of world any of us want, is it?

Peter was not an ideal adult partner for a child by any means, but many MAPs do not act like him, and do not have his particular negative needs.

True. Some also treat their child partners much worse. Some do treat them better. I suspect it is fairly few who do, but from among them come the occasional reminiscences about positive experiences.






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