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Re: Are you a Caveman?

Posted by lee lette on 2012-August-10 17:35:32 EDT, Friday
In reply to Re: Are you a Caveman? posted by GL_in_lyrics on 2012-August-10 11:13:47 EDT, Friday
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I would argue that incest is not necessarily wrong.

It is debatable but it appears that we have developed as a species to not be attracted to close kin for good reasons - the possibility (real) of defects occurring because of genetic considerations. No expert but that appears to be why we have such laws more than anything else - apart from the underage considerations.

Perhaps bestiality isn't, either? But the others you mentioned are quite strange. Murder, rape, necrophilia, etc?

Didn't mention murder but I perhaps could have included many others if I wanted to.

I fail to see how this compares to a loving relationship between two consenting individuals. Again, your premise assumes that sex is inherently harmful to children, which has nothing to do with the point you're making.

I suspect it is harmful but like many other things many of us seem to have no problems and many do.

The harms of rape, murder, necrophilia, etc, are quite evident, and afterall, how many people do you see arguing they should be legal?

Apart from paedophiles how many do you see arguing for adult/child sexual relationships? Meaning pre-pubescents not adolescents.

How common are they? Yet we see the CL movement growing yearly, and it's also clear there are a great deal of kids who want to have sex, even if you want to blame that on society's promiscuity. There's a growing demand for it, and obviously it's more normal than murder, rape, necrophilia. You might argue the former two are more popular, but again, who is arguing they should be legal?

Growing demand? Where did you pull that bit of information from?

You might poke holes into what I'm saying due to believing incest and bestiality should possibly be accepted, but still, that's hardly the same as condoning a consensual heterosexual relationship between a man and a young girl, or even a consensual homosexual relationship between a man and a young boy. And of course, there's female pedosexuality as well, which I can see no reason to condemn. Though with homosexual pedophilic relations, the argument should be based on whether or not one agrees with homosexuality.

I take great offense if you equate things such as murder, rape, necrophilia, or even incest, to a regular relationship between an adult and young person who do not share family bloodline. The differences are fundamental. Your sole criteria is based on something as restrictive as age. And one cannot help their age any more than they can help their race, skin color, nationality, gender, or sexual orientation.

Well it isn't about age it is about maturity and psychological and emotional development which makes them not on the same level as an adult and so not having the same abilities to consent. I fail to see how we could arrange a "test" such as to allow such children to be considered to have consented. I'm afraid a simple "because I want to" will not suffice.

I feel that you have an obsession with normality, Lee Lette. You seem to be obsessed with conformity and basing laws and regulations on what a majority percentage agrees on and desires. And as I've said before, this is based upon an assumption that pedophilia and child sexuality is not something experienced by the majority. Your argument crumbles if this is proven to be true, while our arguments do not crumble if we're wrong on that (even though many of us do not believe the majority shares this attraction).

This is not an argument one can make - because it happens to the majority - many things happen to minorities or majorities and that does not affect the issue at all.

Furthermore, I would argue that with something like necrophilia, maybe it shouldn't be banned in all cases? What if someone willingly agrees to let their lover have sex with them when they die? Many questions have to be asked here. I fail to see why those with necrophilic fantasies, rape fantasies, etc, should be discriminated against. But it's interesting, isn't it, that there isn't a witch hunt against something as "evil" as necrophilia?

I wonder why? Perhaps because the "victims" are dead and nothing done will actually affect them whilst that is hardly the same with child victims who are still living.

Again, this shows the popularity of something like this vs. pedophilia and child sex. And yes, even children are being persecuted for their own sexuality, even with other children.

Yes, well some child-on-child sexual interactions are consensual and many are not and it is particularly difficult to determine which is which.

Toning down the persecution is only going to enable these deviant "perverts" to get their way. So again - you can't have your cake and it it too. The less pedophilia is persecuted, the more child sex is going to be occurring.

Perhaps we are seeing a lot of child-on-child sex because as a society we seem to be obsessed with sex (in the West) and that filters down to children who readily ingest it. I am not sure if you have noticed since being a CL you will not be looking but much of adult porn is actually more about the hatred of females than anything else. Since when did anal sex and all the other permutations become the norm?

I find it interesting that you claim to be against the American government and Empire, but if it wasn't for the American Empire, I doubt very much that pedophilia and child sex would be seen the same as they are today. The predicament us CLs are in would probably be much less intense, if it would exist at all.

Perhaps but Europe doesn't look too kindly on paedophiles either. My gripes with the USA would probably be the same towards any nation that considered itself "top dog" and "leader of the free world" when mostly it is just about self-interest as occurs in most nations but the USA seems to think it is their right to interfere where they choose simply because they have the power to do so. It vetos just like any other nation when whatever is planned conflicts with their own local interests and the US seems to be governed by those with the power and money (military-industrial-commercial) rather than "the people". End rant.


lee lette

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