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Posted by EthanEdwards on 2017-December-02 15:23:27 EST, Saturday
In reply to Comparative Examples in Debates with "Antis" posted by Explorer on 2017-December-01 08:39:37 EST, Friday
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Hi, everyone. All but the newest posters may well remember me. I'm co-founder of "Virtuous Pedophiles", another place to discuss attraction to children, though it is based on the assumption that adult-child sex is wrong. If anyone's interested in learning more, it's easy to find via Google.

Yet, we still have to debate them if we want to spread the message, haven’t we?

No. People entering a discussion labeled as "pedophile" or "MAP" will never advance the cause of allowing adult-child sex. The only hope of doing that is from the side of children's welfare. The purpose served by discussing such examples here is to build a sense of community. But there are many of us with a passionate attraction to young girls who don't favor trying to make adult/child sex legal or more accepted.

sexual activities of children do not even need some external activating stimulus: every child can and will masturbate without ever being told so, and this process is quite pleasant and desirable for him or her.

Often true, though far from universal. There is typically a huge increase in interest in sex at puberty. Sex (solo masturbation form) goes from being one of a great many fun things in life to being near the center of an adolescent's thoughts and centered on other people.

And, in sex-friendly society, this innate drive can and should develop further in the process of socio-sexual contacts with other, more experienced human beings, including adult paedosexuals.

It's not clear that in a different society this can or should develop that way very often. Adult pedophiles have an obvious desire and vested interest in it turning out that way.

Note also the role of parental permission. You can't take kids swimming without parental permission. You can't in general do much with anyone else's kids without parental consent. So make sure as you imagine this future adult/child sex you are getting permission from the parents (as well as the child, of course).

And the absence of numerous restrictions designed to prevent sexual learning of children, from forbidding them to roam the streets by themselves to preventing their informal social contacts with adults to censoring their information access, will provide children with yet another range of additional possibilities.

You argue against an anti-sex draconian mindset, which is indeed common in the west today. But I and many others hold an intermediate position where all of those side benefits are possible, but adult-child sexual activity is still forbidden. An end to shame around bodies and sex, an end to forbidding masturbation, an end to prohibiting sexual play among people of the same age, comprehensive sex education (but not the "lab course" version) -- I and lots of sex-positive people are in favor of those things. The child can even have special friendships with adults, who might be pedophiles, but no sexual activity is permitted.

Another big difference between sex and swimming is that starting at puberty, sex is special. This is especially true of girls and women. They may strongly desire sex, but they usually care deeply about who their partners are. A very common story is the girl who has sex believing the man has made a long-term monogamous commitment to her, but she finds he hasn't -- and she finds this extremely painful emotionally. Sex before puberty is likely to be special too, and will be reinterpreted according to the perceived motives of their partners.

I've blogged a whole lot on the pro/anti-legalization controversy, and the posts are indexed here: https://celibatepedos.blogspot.com/2017/03/index-considering-pro-legalization-pro.html


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