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Wishful thinking
Posted by lee lette on 2012-September-10 10:56:45 EDT, Monday
In reply to 3 Reasons child porn must be legalized [Link] posted by Baldur on 2012-September-09 19:12:46 EDT, Sunday
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Perhaps the laws need changing in many countries and some do seem absurd but throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not the way to advance. He chose a particularly absurd argument with his 'Google glasses' bit - although I tend to agree with one of the comments that these devices will present very many problems when they inevitably arrive. Here in the UK if such a scenario existed and the evidence was given to the police immediately then no charges would result - no jury would ever convict on strict legality here and perhaps other countries just need to get up to speed with some issues.
Do we actually want a society where people stand by and witness crimes - I know we often do at the moment but what sort of trend do we want? If they are able then they should either try to prevent them, call for aid or ensure any evidence gets to the authorities. All the stuff about classing teenagers as criminals is also true but the laws need tweaking to be sensible not abandoned all together. In my view there is no really effective way that child porn can be made legal without harming those already depicted or in preventing the future abuse and recording of others. Any schemes of agreement and consensuality I believe just cannot be constructed or enforced - knowing how it is particularly difficult with commercial copyrighted material at the moment. The Internet has been a game-changer and although the old cliché 'Pandoras box' might be invoked it doesn't mean we cannot have some controls.
The 'freedoms' he speaks of are relative - we do not have anything like the freedoms we suppose and for good reason - the world is too crowded now and living in our societies we have to give up many freedoms for our own security, the security of others, and for the welfare of society as a whole. It is good to always question when we might appear to lose some essential freedom but it perhaps is also important to know what is essential and what is not. The problems with the non-photographic and created images is that it is such a grey area that allowing many will simply undermine efforts to control the extent of the real abusive images so as many countries have done (with the exception of the US it seems) most have been banned. I doubt he will actually get his way and the legalisation of CP in the 1970's is seen by most countries as a mistake and so one or a few Scandinavian countries are unlikely to make that same mistake again.
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- Those who give up freedom for security... - AK47 on 2012-September-11 21:41:49 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 10)
- ... said just before being shot? .... - lee lette on 2012-September-13 00:57:55 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Those who give up freedom for security... - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-11 23:29:39 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Yes, he is disgusting. Just like Moth... - griffith on 2012-September-11 22:11:59 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 7)
- Who is this Moth you speak of .... - lee lette on 2012-September-12 16:53:12 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 6)
- Feeling self-important, aren't we? - Dante on 2012-September-16 05:50:03 EDT, Sunday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- Concerning Moth ... - lee lette on 2012-September-20 17:42:36 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Actually.... - Dante on 2012-September-21 09:56:29 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Concerning Moth ... - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-20 21:06:21 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- We Brits do not suffer from that ... - lee lette on 2012-September-17 16:25:57 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: We Brits do not suffer from that ... - Dante on 2012-September-18 18:42:16 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Concerning Moth ... - lee lette on 2012-September-20 17:42:36 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Feeling self-important, aren't we? - Dante on 2012-September-16 05:50:03 EDT, Sunday - (2 / 0 / 5)
- Who is this Moth you speak of .... - lee lette on 2012-September-12 16:53:12 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 6)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Markaba on 2012-September-10 21:27:10 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 46)
- Magic Infidel-Eye? - Dante on 2012-September-15 08:50:10 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-12 00:13:59 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 43)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Markaba on 2012-September-12 06:14:43 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 42)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-13 00:47:47 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 35)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Markaba on 2012-September-13 12:37:35 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 24)
- OK - reply to Markaba - lee lette on 2012-September-17 10:27:27 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: OK - reply to Markaba - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-18 22:11:01 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: OK - reply to Markaba - Dante on 2012-September-18 18:23:43 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Not read - too abusive - byeeee - lee lette on 2012-September-13 10:37:31 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 20)
- bullshit - Baldur on 2012-September-15 20:29:14 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- et tu ... - lee lette on 2012-September-16 16:35:55 EDT, Sunday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Moderator's privilege? - Dante on 2012-September-18 11:12:44 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Yes he does - Sancho Panza on 2012-September-16 20:07:51 EDT, Sunday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- OK - lee lette on 2012-September-17 08:02:57 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- et tu ... - lee lette on 2012-September-16 16:35:55 EDT, Sunday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Re: Not read - too abusive - byeeee - CatcherintheRye on 2012-September-15 12:27:30 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Not read - too abusive - byeeee - lee lette on 2012-September-15 18:39:31 EDT, Saturday - (3 / 0 / 0)
- Eh, it's okay - Markaba on 2012-September-15 02:04:44 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Not read - too abusive - byeeee - Markaba on 2012-September-13 19:33:12 EDT, Thursday - (3 / 0 / 11)
- OK - lee lette on 2012-September-15 00:41:52 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 10)
- Re: OK - CatcherintheRye on 2012-September-15 12:33:40 EDT, Saturday - (3 / 0 / 0)
- Re: OK - Markaba on 2012-September-15 01:47:45 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 8)
- Re: OK - Baldur on 2012-September-15 17:36:40 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: OK - lee lette on 2012-September-15 13:34:57 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- You may want to correct that - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-15 03:10:43 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- As long as there are some little girls to . . . - Markaba on 2012-September-15 05:33:40 EDT, Saturday - (3 / 0 / 0)
- OK - lee lette on 2012-September-15 00:41:52 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 10)
- bullshit - Baldur on 2012-September-15 20:29:14 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- OK - reply to Markaba - lee lette on 2012-September-17 10:27:27 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Wishful thinking - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-12 21:27:53 EDT, Wednesday - (1 / 0 / 5)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-13 10:31:54 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- Re: Wishful thinking - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-13 19:49:40 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-14 13:03:56 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Markaba on 2012-September-15 02:58:57 EDT, Saturday - (3 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-14 21:15:21 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-14 13:03:56 EDT, Friday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Wishful thinking - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-13 19:49:40 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-13 10:31:54 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 4)
- Re: Wishful thinking - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-12 21:09:37 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Dissident on 2012-September-12 13:32:13 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-12 18:00:04 EDT, Wednesday - (3 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Dante on 2012-September-15 21:26:40 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-12 18:00:04 EDT, Wednesday - (3 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Markaba on 2012-September-13 12:37:35 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 24)
- I wouldn't steal a child... - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-12 19:50:05 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Hieronymus on 2012-September-12 07:12:06 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- One other point - Markaba on 2012-September-12 06:31:50 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Re: One other point - lee lette on 2012-September-13 00:52:28 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: One other point - Markaba on 2012-September-13 01:01:37 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: One other point - Dissident on 2012-September-12 13:41:46 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: One other point - lee lette on 2012-September-13 00:52:28 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-13 00:47:47 EDT, Thursday - (2 / 0 / 35)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Markaba on 2012-September-12 06:14:43 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 42)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Dissident on 2012-September-11 02:55:59 EDT, Tuesday - (3 / 0 / 0)
- And about the economical aspects: - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-10 20:27:37 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: And about the economical aspects: - Dissident on 2012-September-11 05:03:04 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-10 19:07:39 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-12 00:49:03 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Wishful thinking - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-11 23:11:27 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-12 00:49:03 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Dissident on 2012-September-10 14:13:27 EDT, Monday - (3 / 0 / 23)
- Ben Franklin - LGL40 on 2012-September-11 12:34:26 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Just for you, Dissident: RIAA accounting! - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-10 20:01:27 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Thank you! - Dissident on 2012-September-11 03:29:34 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Thank you! - Dante on 2012-September-15 08:37:11 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Thank you! - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-11 04:15:57 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Thank you! - Dissident on 2012-September-11 03:29:34 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 2)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-10 16:27:32 EDT, Monday - (3 / 0 / 17)
- Re: Wishful thinking - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-10 19:55:41 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 9)
- Intellectual Property Exceptionalism Justified - Dante on 2012-September-15 08:30:10 EDT, Saturday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-11 11:20:20 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 6)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Dissident on 2012-September-13 00:13:58 EDT, Thursday - (3 / 0 / 4)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-12 13:01:12 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Work? - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-12 20:15:12 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Dissident on 2012-September-12 13:34:00 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 1)
- I quit ... - lee lette on 2012-September-12 18:11:22 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - lee lette on 2012-September-12 13:01:12 EDT, Wednesday - (2 / 0 / 3)
- Re: Wishful thinking - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-11 22:53:31 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Dissident on 2012-September-13 00:13:58 EDT, Thursday - (3 / 0 / 4)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Dissident on 2012-September-11 03:22:50 EDT, Tuesday - (2 / 0 / 0)
- What? - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-10 19:52:57 EDT, Monday - (1 / 0 / 5)
- Re: Wishful thinking - Dissident on 2012-September-10 18:50:50 EDT, Monday - (3 / 0 / 0)
- Re: Wishful thinking - qtns2di4 on 2012-September-10 19:55:41 EDT, Monday - (2 / 0 / 9)