GirlChat #726125
(1) recusal, and (2) great harm/benefit ratio
Posted by EthanEdwards on 2018-August-16 11:18:37 EDT, Thursday
In reply to Question posted by Nadine on 2018-August-16 11:02:37 EDT, Thursday
My fundamental position on the issue is one of "recusal". The world is full of adults who deeply care about the welfare of children. Pedophiles seem to have a vested interest in deciding adult-child sex is OK, we have no special knowledge about the nature of children, so we should defer to those who don't seem to have that vested interest.
Going beyond that to my personal judgment... I think there is far more danger of harm in allowing adult-child sex than in prohibiting it. The potential for abuse of power, misreading of a girl's feelings, or the girl's later regretting what she did are great -- and society is full of women who feel damaged by their early sexual experiences. The cost to prohibition is a few girls who would genuinely like to have sex with adults who are unable to do so. The silence among adult women on regret along those lines is deafening. The prohibition also provides a defense of underage children from genuine, indisputable rape. Given the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard, a man raping an adult woman can claim she consented at the time but is lying about it now and often win. Prohibiting adult-child sex removes that defense. Legalizing it opens the door to much rape by unscrupulous men.
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Responses
- Lies and bigotry - Hajduk on 2018-August-17 02:49:38 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 36)
- you won't even grant me "misguided"? - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-17 11:19:50 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 35)
- Alcohol is illegal in many Muslim countries - Hajduk on 2018-August-17 22:19:02 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- A few problems here - Dissident on 2018-August-17 19:49:22 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 33)
- solutions to alleged problems - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-17 20:37:28 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 32)
- More than just "alleged", fam Part 1 - Dissident on 2018-August-17 22:30:18 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 31)
- also, Ethan, - hieronymus on 2018-August-19 02:12:08 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- More than just "alleged", fam Part 2 - Dissident on 2018-August-18 00:14:04 EDT, Saturday - (0 / 0 / 26)
- just alleged - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-18 08:46:39 EDT, Saturday - (0 / 0 / 25)
- The "perfectibility" fallacy - Dissident on 2018-August-19 03:24:15 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- low probability underlies everything - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-19 11:33:30 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- Democracy is key, not alarmist assumptions - Dissident on 2018-August-20 02:01:50 EDT, Monday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- low probability underlies everything - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-19 11:33:30 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- there is always a fly in the ointment - hieronymus on 2018-August-19 02:15:34 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- Nothing - Hajduk on 2018-August-18 22:05:01 EDT, Saturday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- Reality, logic and language - manbot on 2018-August-18 13:13:59 EDT, Saturday - (0 / 0 / 19)
- the truth will out -- if it is the truth - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-18 13:42:40 EDT, Saturday - (0 / 0 / 18)
- Ethan, - hieronymus on 2018-August-19 02:17:51 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- Truth? - manbot on 2018-August-18 18:16:35 EDT, Saturday - (0 / 0 / 13)
- Ethan's beef is not with unfalsifiable claims... - Dissident on 2018-August-19 04:06:32 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 12)
- free pass only on lack of consent, not activity - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-19 11:52:42 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 6)
- Girls spending their lives in court - billi on 2018-August-19 12:27:34 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 5)
- back to the big picture - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-19 12:38:44 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 4)
- Justin Bieber - billi on 2018-August-19 16:15:43 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 3)
- That's not the way it goes. - rainbowloom on 2018-August-19 16:29:30 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- Oh, for Gawd's sake! - billi on 2018-August-19 17:19:48 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- Dickwad. [Nt.] - rainbowloom on 2018-August-19 18:46:20 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- Oh, for Gawd's sake! - billi on 2018-August-19 17:19:48 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- That's not the way it goes. - rainbowloom on 2018-August-19 16:29:30 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- Justin Bieber - billi on 2018-August-19 16:15:43 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 3)
- back to the big picture - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-19 12:38:44 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 4)
- Girls spending their lives in court - billi on 2018-August-19 12:27:34 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 5)
- I didn't know Ethan was a meat producer! - Sexiest GLer of All Time on 2018-August-19 09:55:09 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 4)
- I'll give you my meat . . . - Lateralus on 2018-September-07 17:30:44 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- Mostly bologna -nt- - Baldy on 2018-August-20 02:16:59 EDT, Monday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- Mortadella...nt - hieronymus on 2018-August-23 00:12:53 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- and shrimp (nt) - hieronymus on 2018-August-25 18:41:31 EDT, Saturday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- Mortadella...nt - hieronymus on 2018-August-23 00:12:53 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- free pass only on lack of consent, not activity - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-19 11:52:42 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 6)
- Ethan's beef is not with unfalsifiable claims... - Dissident on 2018-August-19 04:06:32 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 12)
- misunderstanding shame, misunderstanding girls - Baldur on 2018-August-18 15:10:42 EDT, Saturday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- sexy YouTube videos? - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-19 12:49:53 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- Lack of availability, for one. - rainbowloom on 2018-August-19 14:42:31 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- sexy YouTube videos? - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-19 12:49:53 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- the truth will out -- if it is the truth - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-18 13:42:40 EDT, Saturday - (0 / 0 / 18)
- The "perfectibility" fallacy - Dissident on 2018-August-19 03:24:15 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- just alleged - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-18 08:46:39 EDT, Saturday - (0 / 0 / 25)
- the straw man of denying youths the right to vote - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-17 23:01:32 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- More than just "alleged", fam Part 1 - Dissident on 2018-August-17 22:30:18 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 31)
- solutions to alleged problems - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-17 20:37:28 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 32)
- you won't even grant me "misguided"? - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-17 11:19:50 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 35)
- Thanks for your answer - Nadine on 2018-August-16 11:49:37 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 31)
- more answers - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-16 12:38:08 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 30)
- Funny, I'm a consequentialist - Hajduk on 2018-August-17 03:04:20 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- me too, mostly - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-17 11:30:10 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- testimonies - Hajduk on 2018-August-17 22:29:21 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- me too, mostly - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-17 11:30:10 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- Ok :) - Nadine on 2018-August-16 22:04:13 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- Delusions - manbot on 2018-August-16 18:32:40 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- But: - Balto on 2018-August-16 13:27:33 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 22)
- dismisssing out of hand a child's vital need - hieronymus on 2018-August-16 15:12:27 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 13)
- a vital need for sex, eh? - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-16 16:16:55 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 12)
- Obviously - Hajduk on 2018-August-17 15:30:21 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- citations? - manbot on 2018-August-16 18:40:27 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- A vital need for FREEDOM OF CHOICE, actually - Dissident on 2018-August-16 16:59:11 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 9)
- a need to avoid being raped - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-16 17:34:32 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 8)
- wrong study - Baldur on 2018-August-18 02:26:06 EDT, Saturday - (0 / 0 / 5)
- error in table headings? And poor study. - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-22 17:08:07 EDT, Wednesday - (0 / 0 / 4)
- not necessarily - Baldur on 2018-August-23 05:01:53 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- no significance tests means results worthless - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-24 11:23:31 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- Perhaps ... - Baldur on 2018-August-26 02:25:32 EDT, Sunday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- no significance tests means results worthless - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-24 11:23:31 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- Unfortunate dismissal. - rainbowloom on 2018-August-22 19:56:34 EDT, Wednesday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- not necessarily - Baldur on 2018-August-23 05:01:53 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- error in table headings? And poor study. - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-22 17:08:07 EDT, Wednesday - (0 / 0 / 4)
- And sodomy laws prevent homosexual rape too - Hajduk on 2018-August-17 15:37:22 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- Which doesn't happen often by us! - Dissident on 2018-August-16 19:05:28 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- wrong study - Baldur on 2018-August-18 02:26:06 EDT, Saturday - (0 / 0 / 5)
- a need to avoid being raped - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-16 17:34:32 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 8)
- a vital need for sex, eh? - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-16 16:16:55 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 12)
- unbiased judgment? and your situation... - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-16 14:34:39 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 6)
- but surely letting your attraction be discovered - Hajduk on 2018-August-17 03:14:45 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- ... can be very unwise - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-17 09:37:16 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- Do u even analogy? - Hajduk on 2018-August-17 21:48:28 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- ... can be very unwise - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-17 09:37:16 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- -parents don't do - hieronymus on 2018-August-16 22:18:09 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- parents shouldn't do - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-17 00:44:19 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- you twisted my words somewhat, Ethan - hieronymus on 2018-August-17 01:10:21 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- parents shouldn't do - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-17 00:44:19 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- but surely letting your attraction be discovered - Hajduk on 2018-August-17 03:14:45 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- Ethan knows better - Dissident on 2018-August-16 14:27:51 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- dismisssing out of hand a child's vital need - hieronymus on 2018-August-16 15:12:27 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 13)
- Thank you - sadlife on 2018-August-16 12:43:51 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- If I've not said that other places, sorry. - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-16 13:05:47 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 0)
- Funny, I'm a consequentialist - Hajduk on 2018-August-17 03:04:20 EDT, Friday - (0 / 0 / 2)
- more answers - EthanEdwards on 2018-August-16 12:38:08 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 30)
- All-or-nothing position; meaningless dribble. - Balto on 2018-August-16 11:39:44 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 1)
- And yet... - Dissident on 2018-August-16 14:29:16 EDT, Thursday - (0 / 0 / 0)